Could Sienna use magic other than fire?

[Zouls]

So i know nothing of warhammer lore but was curious if lore wise sienne could get a career which focused on some other kind of magic than fire, say ice or light?

[Gobbo Slayer]

No, Humans are incapable of using more than one Wind of Magic without going insane or exploding(besides Necromancy and Chaos, since Chaos Magic are all winds combined = Dhar(Dark Magic), ruthless use of High Magic = Necromancy = weaker Dhar).

Only the Slann and the High Elves can use all Winds of Magic, called High Magic.

If the AUs were set before Übersreik, then there would be a possibility that she wanted to study Amber Magic or Amethyst Magic instead, but in the current Timeline and situation simply not possible.

[Terrorxfury]

Originally posted by Gobbo Slayer:

No, Humans are incapable of using more than one Wind of Magic without going insane or exploding(besides Necromancy and Chaos, since Chaos Magic are all winds combined = Dhar(Dark Magic), ruthless use of High Magic = Necromancy = weaker Dhar).

Only the Slann and the High Elves can use all Winds of Magic, called High Magic.

If the AUs were set before Übersreik, then there would be a possibility that she wanted to study Amber Magic or Amethyst Magic instead, but in the current Timeline and situation simply not possible.

Yeah, based on your wording yes she could. If she can only use one at a time but use and Mastery are two different things.

Also this is more likly a tabletop ruling not a lore ruling as no where have I read that they "Blow up or go insane"

It is more likely that Humans go to mage colleges to learn and become skilled at one use of magic and that already takes a while to learn and climb ranks so learning another wouldn't be do able either due to time vs life spand and how difficult it is to master in the first place

it is stated that all mages of the colleges use ALL of the winds in their magic just one takes "control" more then the others the winds are very much an influence on the user I.E red wind makes them passionate, aggersive, brash etc also changes them physically

Also the winds may call to each person differently in their life time when they are young they may be drawn to Red wind mostly but as they age that can change

so is it possible sure there is no pure proof its not but they way a human learns magic is very different then an elf and I'm pretty sure all elves have magic sensitivity to some degree

Source for this info is found here http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Colleges_of_Magic

[Terrorxfury]

another good point is Sienna has complete mastery in the Red wind but her spell pool is rather small for someone who has this level of skill which I can only assume is for game balances

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Terrorxfury:

Originally posted by Gobbo Slayer:

No, Humans are incapable of using more than one Wind of Magic without going insane or exploding(besides Necromancy and Chaos, since Chaos Magic are all winds combined = Dhar(Dark Magic), ruthless use of High Magic = Necromancy = weaker Dhar).

Only the Slann and the High Elves can use all Winds of Magic, called High Magic.

If the AUs were set before Übersreik, then there would be a possibility that she wanted to study Amber Magic or Amethyst Magic instead, but in the current Timeline and situation simply not possible.

Yeah, based on your wording yes she could. If she can only use one at a time but use and Mastery are two different things.

Also this is more likly a tabletop ruling not a lore ruling as no where have I read that they "Blow up or go insane"

It is more likely that Humans go to mage colleges to learn and become skilled at one use of magic and that already takes a while to learn and climb ranks so learning another wouldn't be do able either due to time vs life spand and how difficult it is to master in the first place

it is stated that all mages of the colleges use ALL of the winds in their magic just one takes "control" more then the others the winds are very much an influence on the user I.E red wind makes them passionate, aggersive, brash etc also changes them physically

Also the winds may call to each person differently in their life time when they are young they may be drawn to Red wind mostly but as they age that can change

so is it possible sure there is no pure proof its not but they way a human learns magic is very different then an elf and I'm pretty sure all elves have magic sensitivity to some degree

Source for this info is found here http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Colleges_of_Magic

No, its also a Lore thing excplictly stated everywhere including on the site you likned.

Everyone you will ask or type this question will amswer with the exact same thing: No its not possible.

Everyone is bound to one Lore when they embrace it, like in the text. The part with drawn to another Lore, also fades with time the longer they study one specific Lore.

Even if they were able to learn another, which is nearly impossible considering their livespsan, they couldnt grasp the whole of it to fit in their mind, unlike Elves who train their whole immortal lives fo that.

Sienna for example can sense Shyish, she mentions it very often, but that doesnt mean she can use it, its just Witch Sight.

Also all have some sort of magic sensivity but only those with Witch Sight have the potentional to become true Mages.

So in the End its simply not possible for her to learn another Lore, its a major rule in the Franchise, not only a rule in the game.

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Terrorxfury:

another good point is Sienna has complete mastery in the Red wind but her spell pool is rather small for someone who has this level of skill which I can only assume is for game balances

Thats why we have staves and they put lots of abilities into them already, that I think we have nearly all covered.

[Terrorxfury]

you kinda proved my point mate.

I never said it was truly possible but I'm not ruling out its not "impossible" I also say its highly likly that Time is a large factor in why its not likely to happen. I feel like you didn't even read it =/

Lastly its the End Times anything can happen thats the whole nature of it

and excuse me for not using the primo lingo when talking loosly about this topic I shall forever defer to your exceedingly choice knowledge in the future

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Terrorxfury:

you kinda proved my point mate.

I never said it was truly possible but I'm not ruling out its not "impossible" I also say its highly likly that Time is a large factor in why its not likely to happen. I feel like you didn't even read it =/

Lastly its the End Times anything can happen thats the whole nature of it

and excuse me for not using the primo lingo when talking loosly about this topic I shall forever defer to your exceedingly choice knowledge in the future

Sorry but bringing in End Times disqualifies you from any argument since its a heavy
lorebreaking event.

I only proven that youre wrong stop being delusinoal about it and dont cling to End Times when you want to prove something.

You cant prove me otherwise, besides Necromancy and Chaos Magic people cant learn another Lore, simply as that.

Besides, the devs are already stretching Lore left and right with Olyessa for example, they also know that its impossible or else we wouldve seen it already.

[Terrorxfury]

Originally posted by Gobbo Slayer:

Originally posted by Terrorxfury:

you kinda proved my point mate.

I never said it was truly possible but I'm not ruling out its not "impossible" I also say its highly likly that Time is a large factor in why its not likely to happen. I feel like you didn't even read it =/

Lastly its the End Times anything can happen thats the whole nature of it

and excuse me for not using the primo lingo when talking loosly about this topic I shall forever defer to your exceedingly choice knowledge in the future

Sorry but bringing in End Times disqualifies you from any argument since its a heavy
lorebreaking event.

I only proven that youre wrong stop being delusinoal about it and dont cling to End Times when you want to prove something.

You cant prove me otherwise, besides Necromancy and Chaos Magic people cant learn another Lore, simply as that.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong xD and you are

there is NOTHING that says its impossible so I'm sorry that this hurts your Epeen

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Terrorxfury:

Originally posted by Gobbo Slayer:

Sorry but bringing in End Times disqualifies you from any argument since its a heavy
lorebreaking event.

I only proven that youre wrong stop being delusinoal about it and dont cling to End Times when you want to prove something.

You cant prove me otherwise, besides Necromancy and Chaos Magic people cant learn another Lore, simply as that.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong xD and you are

there is NOTHING that says its impossible so I'm sorry that this hurts your Epeen

Countless sources say otherwise, sorry kiddo, your WoW power fantasy couldnt come true.

And you still couldnt proof it right.

[Seven of Nine]

Even if she lived long enough, her mind is weak to go beyond 1 Lore... That doesn't mean humans couldn't grasp more than 1 lore...
Technically they could...
But they would pose more threat to their allies, than to the enemy. If I remember correctly, that's the reason why Imperial Colleges are separated from each other, and why they are forcing this 1 Lore- doctrine.
When Teclis and his co taught magic to humankind, they had to quickly realise, that not even with their mentorhood could the human beings master more than 1 Lore, though they could indeed use more than one wind.
The results were terrific...

Could use is very different from using properly.

I really wonder if there is any transperence from one lore to another, especially if they are close to each other... I'm thinking of Lore of Beasts, and Lore of Life. Or Lore of Light and Lore of Heavens.
Wish the winds of magic thing was more elaborated :(

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Seven of Nine:

Even if she lived long enough, her mind is weak to go beyond 1 Lore... That doesn't mean humans couldn't grasp more than 1 lore...
Technically they could...
But they would pose more threat to their allies, than to the enemy. If I remember correctly, that's the reason why Imperial Colleges are separated from each other, and why they are forcing this 1 Lore- doctrine.
When Teclis and his co taught magic to humankind, they had to quickly realise, that not even with their mentorhood could the human beings master more than 1 Lore, though they could indeed use more than one wind.
The results were terrific...

Could use is very different from using properly.

I really wonder if there is any transperence from one lore to another, especially if they are close to each other... I'm thinking of Lore of Beasts, and Lore of Life. Or Lore of Light and Lore of Heavens.
Wish the winds of magic thing was more elaborated :(

Yeah youre right about the learning stuff.

It was explicitly said they would become insane or would explode, most likely because they try to learn the second lore at a much higher speed than when they learned their first.

Sienna is also mentally unstable with her fire addiction already, giving her another Lore, would make her explode.

Sadly GW didnt dwell furhter on such topics, unlike in 40k where stuff like this was elaborated.

They dropped the ball on Fantasy and couldve done so many new things, but they decided to kill it rather than incorporate those changes into the universe.

[Zouls]

Aight lemme ask another question, from what I understand kerillians handmaiden and shade careers are like alternative timelines, they all are, could she use something else if she didnt use fire or is she "attuned" for lack of better word

[Gobbo Slayer]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Aight lemme ask another question, from what I understand kerillians handmaiden and shade careers are like alternative timelines, they all are, could she use something else if she didnt use fire or is she "attuned" for lack of better word

There is battle magic where it allows you to use small spells from all Lores, but since Sienna studied in Altdorf, she has only learned Fire Magic of Aqshy.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Magic

And like I said, the alternate Careers are AFTER the envents of Übersreik, meaning she cant have another Lore.

[Seven of Nine]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Aight lemme ask another question, from what I understand kerillians handmaiden and shade careers are like alternative timelines, they all are, could she use something else if she didnt use fire or is she "attuned" for lack of better word

Hmmmm...

I wouldn't call it alternative timeline, there is a strange notion about elves in the lore... Lore of Elves, the Magic Wind of Never Enough Dead Elfs / Wind of Never Enough Arrows...

Technically she's a wood elf... and she's also a rogue...
She's not a dark elf, neither is she a High Elf when playing as the Handmaiden. Even though her skin colours changes to a strange sort of purple when she's a Shade... I guess she offers up her services through travels to various stuff, which allowed her to become any of those. Same goes for Bardin, Kruber and Saltzpyre.

[Errorin Bluescreen]

Her skin color and complexion changes though,which is strange. The subclasses may just be race swaps for her.