ECHO
Thoughts/Explanation on the ending? [spoilers]
For those that finished the game, what are your thoughts on the ending?

In the end, En says only one of them is getting out alive, just like last time. In the beginning of the game, En said to London that Foster died because of her, because of a situation where only one of them is getting out alive. When Foster woke up, there were sounds of a garden.

How do all of these connect?

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Pangur Bán Sep 21, 2017 @ 6:48pm 
En says the body enters through one door and the soul enters through another. En entered the palace with Foster's soul so , Foster gets to live because En gave his soul back to him, Foster's body entered the palace 100 years before. My question is, how many times has En done this? Since there are so many echo's of her in the palace. She also said her grandfather called her "His Prize".
Karsk Sep 21, 2017 @ 7:10pm 
I don't really get the story at all. What the hell are resourcefuls?
NOT FUFUFAFA Oct 26, 2017 @ 8:32am 
This game has so many chances to end the story with great explanation, yet it fails miserably.

Up until the end, I don't know who built the damn palace for what purpose, and how could the mechanism to restore Foster's soul be invented with the palace?

And so many things unexplained, especially with the exchanges En and London have had.
fromthesahara Dec 6, 2017 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by zeroxxx:
This game has so many chances to end the story with great explanation, yet it fails miserably.

Up until the end, I don't know who built the damn palace for what purpose, and how could the mechanism to restore Foster's soul be invented with the palace?

And so many things unexplained, especially with the exchanges En and London have had.

I agree entirely. The game is masterfully done and feels and looks like there was attention given to every last minuscule detail... accept the story. That part rather shocks me actually. For all the dialogue and all the detailed conversation the story makes no sense. The characters make no sense or the parts they play. Every story (as they teach in school) should deal with the questions, Who, what, when, where and the most important, why. The who is never explained, we never know fully what this place is for, when is nebulous and why is simply non existent. The game feel and architecture is a masterpiece and yet the story is so random and makes so little sense as to be as you stated a miserable failure. Actually, if you took the whole story out and just played the game for the games sake it might actually help the game.

I don't say all this from a pessimists perspective. This game was so amazing in design that it might have been in most gamers collections but instead will only be played by a few. I would recommend they hire a story writer, give them the idea of what they are working with and then update the game. This game could still make it IF they fix the story. The story is dragging the whole game down.
Batman Dec 8, 2017 @ 7:26am 
You really need to pay attention when they're talking. You can figure out/decide for yourself from the context.

The garden very likely means that he's been teleported to where the immortals actually are. My guess is that they are very good at hiding since London had trouble finding the palace even with exact coordinates. SO... The immortals (living at a differnet location) are basically impossible to find unless you win their little game and get teleported there.

You can just assume their theories were right. Then the palace is just a place people create "because they can". Sort of like a "retirement home" for the ones who are already immortals. It sure looks like one hell of a resort to me. The facilities they have and their grand design. I'm guesing they want to be ambiguous so that they have room to expand if they decided they want a 2nd game.

Actually we can see that the game implies that Foster = Body En = soul. But that just sounds weird to have En in Foster's body. If BOTH body and soul are that of foster's then the whole story would collapse since En was the one who won the challenge and we can clearly see foster's body at the end. Which makes sense since the red cube came from foster's body being digitzed into the red cube circuits. If you collect all the voices you'll notice one of the poems says "all of them you wear again" or something like that. SO En is definitely in there somewhere. After having won, she must had survived the resurrection process in one way or another.
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Cthoolhoo Jul 24, 2018 @ 11:04am 
devs should release official explanation
Shufflecat Jul 24, 2018 @ 10:37pm 
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The story is all there IF you pay attention to the conversations and assemble the bits.

The Galaxy the story takes place in is one where humanity had a technologcally-enabled expansionist boom, then had a sort of galactic-post apacalyptic fall, and is now on the recovery upswing. Ruins and old tech much more advanced than what's current to the story still linger in various corners of the galaxy.

"Resourcefulls" is the name of a cult lead/started by Ein's "grandfather". The cult believes in a pseudo-darwinist philosophy where only the fittest will be able to enter their idea of heaven, which is conceptualized as a giant eternal palace.

To that end, Ein's "grandfather" has been genetically engineering children, then raising them by subjecting them to extreme physical, mental, and competative trials in an effort to create humans who are "fit" enough to enter this heaven. He also had a piece of old pre-collapse tech wich he claimed could digitize a person's soul and thus act as a doorway to heaven. Whenever an acolyte became "fit" enough by his estimation, he would digitize them with this, turning them into a cube, and tell everyone they had gone on to their final challenge to enter heaven.

He may or may not be Ein's biological grandfather, as it's implied she was recruited as a child rather than born into the cult, but those lines could also be interpreted as him probing his genetically engineered children for the fervence/willingness to start their training, rather than recruitment. Similarly, we don't know if the genetic engineering happend before or after birth, but it is mentioned that Ein was genetically modified by the cult as a child.

Ein turned out to be the "fittest" of the children raised by the cult this way, and thus her "grandfather's" star pupil and greatest prize. But at some point she became disallusioned: she never really cared about the whole heaven thing, but played along because if she didn't she'd be killed, and besides she WAS really proud of seeing herself as "fitter" than the rest of humanity, regardless of the reason.

So, when she had the opportunity at some point, she ran away from the cult to find her own way. Turned out she was a bit lazy ouside of the cult's constant pressure though, and kinda selfish/sociopathic as result of the whole darwinan philosophy thing, so she just ended up as a gambling hustler 'cause it was a low-effort way to live well off her skills.

But Grandad wanted his star back, so he hired the mercenary pirates/thieves Foster and London to kidnap her and bring her back. They did so, but Ein used her "resourceful" social skills to manipulate the normally sociopathic Foster into sympathizing with her, and they tried to bust out of Grandad's commune from the inside. It didn't go well, what with the commune being packed with dangerous superhumans and all. Foster got mortally injured in some kind of self-sacrifice ploy because Ein had told him she could resurrect him if she could use grandad's machine to digitize him. Throughout all this, she began to have serious second thoughts about her life direction and self-centered outlook.

Ein took Foster's cube and scarpered with London, who was pissed at her because Foster was killed saving her. He didn't believe her version of the story, but did believe that Foster legit wanted him to help her. Together they flew off to some dark corner of the galaxy where Grandad's cult lore had implied the physical gate to the eternal palace might be, so Ein could try to resurrect Foster like she promised.

Ein finds what she thinks is the eternal palace, but London thinks is a relic of some pre-collapse high-tech playboy mansion (at first he thinks it's a pre-collapse bootleg robot mining facilty, until they get inside and see the furnishings).

Ein gets partway in, and finds a table that matches Grandad's device, so thinks this'll be where she can reconstruct Foster from the cube. Instead it throws her into the whole echo's/blackouts thing.

Much speculation ensues about the blackouts being a big system malfunction, with the echoes being antibodies created by a security system to keep intruders out. Underneath which, Ein still holds out hope that this is really the "final challenge" that Grandad talked about.

In the end, IMO she was digitized, either on completing her challenge, or back when she first put Foster's cube on the table. Foster wakes up in digital heaven, and Ein is now a cube on the table where Foster's cube was, waiting for the next explorer to move her along down the line by sacrificing him/herself in turn.

How much of that system is intentionally designed, or just an intersection of post-collapse myth and a buggy ancient high-tech rich people's toy is left up to the viewer/player.
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BURIKO Jul 30, 2018 @ 1:12pm 
i have 1000 questions for a background do you know if wiki'background exist ? i dont find anything serius
Shufflecat Aug 1, 2018 @ 8:59am 
Don't think it's that kind of game/story. This isn't a franchise or an RPG or anything else that'd require that kind of expansive worldbuilding. It's a simple, isolated, one-shot story, where the background needed for the story to work is pretty minimal. I wouldn't be surprised if what's in the game is more or less all there is, and that's not actually a bad thing if the story doesn't actually require more.
fromthesahara Aug 13, 2018 @ 10:55am 
Well said Pepe and I think you just offered perhaps the best explanation. Or in other words "that's all she wrote" so to speak. I really think this is like "Pan's Labrynth". An excellent made movie a fantastic story but the story just kind of ends with no real explanation and none was ever given. Some developers build their stories around "you choose" such as the old story of The Tiger and the Lady. Some like that but like British humor and American humor, while some might cross over and be able to enjoy it, it's certainly not going to work for the majority. I'd still say buy the game for it's play and its beauty. To this day Ive never played a game so beautiful and grandios that I have to just stop and take it all in.
Shufflecat Aug 13, 2018 @ 2:06pm 
One really interesting thing to me is that when you start looking around, you can see the entire game actually has a really tiny asset library. There's only one charachter model (two if you count Foster, though he could easily just be a low-res head and a morph set for Ein's body), and the entire palace is made of just a few dozen or so lego block-stlye meshes that are simply rendered with different shaders for different levels. The voice acting is very professional, but there are only two actors in the whole game, and their lines/scenes are sporadic.

There is clearly a lot of bespoke code going on, but it's also IMO clear this is a game where they probably had a shockingly tiny budget, but really, REALLY knew how to plan and project manage. I feel like AAA studios/publishers could probably learn a lot from these guys.
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fromthesahara Aug 14, 2018 @ 5:02pm 
Interesting observation. Then my hat is certainly off for them and what they accomplished with little. With a massive budget look what happened to Deadspace 3.
an owl's casket Feb 9, 2019 @ 10:41pm 
Additionally, the idea that stories need to cover "who what when where how and why" is bunk. Journalistic outlets need to cover that. Fictional stories do not, and are often served by leaving things sort of ambiguous.
HeLLance Apr 10, 2019 @ 1:16pm 
That everything you did was fake was annoying.
Punished Sanders Apr 13, 2019 @ 10:56pm 
Originally posted by Pepe_DeJefe:
One really interesting thing to me is that when you start looking around, you can see the entire game actually has a really tiny asset library. There's only one charachter model (two if you count Foster, though he could easily just be a low-res head and a morph set for Ein's body), and the entire palace is made of just a few dozen or so lego block-stlye meshes that are simply rendered with different shaders for different levels. The voice acting is very professional, but there are only two actors in the whole game, and their lines/scenes are sporadic.

There is clearly a lot of bespoke code going on, but it's also IMO clear this is a game where they probably had a shockingly tiny budget, but really, REALLY knew how to plan and project manage. I feel like AAA studios/publishers could probably learn a lot from these guys.

That's the really intriguing part isn't it. Constraints are the father of creativity. Really helps demystify the weirdness of the whole thing so I feel less like I'm being mind probed by aliens.
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