how is it that people under 200 hours are called noobs??

[General SnuSnu]

sorry but some people actually have a life outside of steam you know.... 200 hours for a normal person is a pretty large amount unless your unemployed and have nothing better to do. im only writing this as i constantly see people with 1k plus hours putting others with fewer hours down

[Dharok]

Remember that noob may not necessarily refer to the fact that you have few hours.
It is simply the game-play knowledge that certain people may lack, and becomes apparent at different times. (See: Restless' guide on improving yourself)
Lots of hours =/= a great player.

[Restless]

See this list: http://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/558751179401182547/#p1

There are players with thousands of hours that still learn new things about the game all the time. The meta is constantly evolving. There is no matchmaking system in the game, no ladder, no rating point system, so a person's hours is the only measure we have in terms of interpreting one's experience, so many use it as a basis of judgment. It isn't a causation, but there is usually a correlation between one's hours played and one's skill level.

[That Goon Type Shit]

Lets not start ♥♥♥♥ about people feeling inferior/superior because they may or may not have more time to play than other people for whatever reason. It's just as bad and petty (not to mention whiny) for people to justify if theyre bad at something or disrespected within the community because they "have a life" and not alot of free time to waste on recreation.

L4D2 came out 5 years ago. Any fanbase that has been with the game since then should have well over thousand of hours. I have 2K hours i accumulated over the span of 5 years playing this game when i had the time all while maintaining my priorities and responsibilities.

If you just started and you havent played alot of hours in the game its not a matter of whether you have a life or not, its because you just started and youre playing with people that have been playing years before you and could possibly have less time to play than you do.

Judging someones "life" --which you have no actual insight into-- because they've been playing a game longer than you is just as unintelligent as veterans judging you by your low hours.

[Pistols ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by General Bacca:

sorry but some people actually have a life outside of steam you know.... 200 hours for a normal person is a pretty large amount unless your unemployed and have nothing better to do. im only writing this as i constantly see people with 1k plus hours putting others with fewer hours down

Well for one that is few hours for a "normal" person. A friend of mine has a full time job, night school and still manages to rack in a lot of hours. As far as nothing "better" to do, that's all in the eye of the beholder, your lack of hours (or noobishness) is no excuse to say what you think is "better" to do than playing a game a few hrs a day. What's "better" ? Jogging? Playing pool? Going to see a movie? Sky diving? Name anything and it's mearly an opinion on what's better, doesn't necessarily make it a fact because for all you know everything that you do that is "better" is considered utter ♥♥♥♥ to others. But to answer your question as to why anyone with under 200 hrs is a noob, well that's because you are, plain and simple.

[bob]

Originally posted by Restless:

See this list: http://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/558751179401182547/#p1

There are players with thousands of hours that still learn new things about the game all the time. The meta is constantly evolving. There is no matchmaking system in the game, no ladder, no rating point system, so a person's hours is the only measure we have in terms of interpreting one's experience, so many use it as a basis of judgment. It isn't a causation, but there is usually a correlation between one's hours played and one's skill level.

Great list there Restless, you should put it up as a guide somewhere.

[General SnuSnu]

you do have a point restless, but i have found in the time i have played it is a very bad way of judgeing a players skill by the hours some of my freinds only have around 150 hours and play expert like its easy and are incredibley skillful, i have also seen players with 700 hours playing like its their first time i tend not to judge on hours unless its something like below 50 then i find hours equal skill.

and rachel even in 5 years to get that many hours is difficult for a casual all rounded player who plays a lot of other games, not to mention that most people aint huge fans and play at any free moment. i am only saying people have a life outside of steam to those with huge numbers of hours who look down on those with fewer and dont play with them and think they know it all

[Nunya Bezwacks]

Originally posted by Restless:

a person's hours is the only measure we have in terms of interpreting one's experience, so many use it as a basis of judgment.

Except that this game isn't only for PC and people may have multiple accounts so that is the dumbest thing you could possibly say. For instance I have 30 hours last I checked but know for a fact that I have 1500+ on Xbox.Thats just on my Xbox after the game was released since then I have sold that Xbox, got a new one and got a few hundred more, I played it at a friends house for at least a few hundred hours,If I had a friend who had a PC that I hung out with I would have more hours on there account. There is no defending the people who say "you have less hours so you are a noob" Because there is no way to tell how many hours people have actually played. And for the record there is no "meta" in left for dead and nothing changes,the weapons are never buffed or nerfed so there is no way what is best can change.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by General Bacca:

sorry but some people actually have a life outside of steam you know.... 200 hours for a normal person is a pretty large amount unless your unemployed and have nothing better to do. im only writing this as i constantly see people with 1k plus hours putting others with fewer hours down

You do realize this game launched in 2009 right? If I combined my playtime from steam with the 360, I'd easily pass 1000 hours and I play plenty of other games. Now, if this was 1000 hours in a year, then I'd say it's a little extreme, but were talking about 5 years here.

[bob]

Originally posted by «FeaR_TH3_Reap3R»:

Originally posted by General Bacca:

sorry but some people actually have a life outside of steam you know.... 200 hours for a normal person is a pretty large amount unless your unemployed and have nothing better to do. im only writing this as i constantly see people with 1k plus hours putting others with fewer hours down

You do realize this game launched in 2009 right? If I combined my playtime from steam with the 360, I'd easily pass 1000 hours and I play plenty of other games. Now, if this was 1000 hours in a year, then I'd say it's a little extreme, but were talking about 5 years here.

I got 2200 hrs in 1.5 years #yolo

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Linux sophia:

Originally posted by «FeaR_TH3_Reap3R»:

You do realize this game launched in 2009 right? If I combined my playtime from steam with the 360, I'd easily pass 1000 hours and I play plenty of other games. Now, if this was 1000 hours in a year, then I'd say it's a little extreme, but were talking about 5 years here.

I got 2200 hrs in 1.5 years #yolo

thats a minimum of 4 hours a day, every day, for a year and a half. in small bits, that sounds okay, but man, that adds up

[That Goon Type Shit]

Originally posted by General Bacca:

and rachel even in 5 years to get that many hours is difficult for a casual all rounded player who plays a lot of other games, not to mention that most people aint huge fans and play at any free moment. i am only saying people have a life outside of steam to those with huge numbers of hours who look down on those with fewer and dont play with them and think they know it all

Which again doesn't account for your lack of free time in your life. It means that you play alot of other games and arent devoted to any of them to amass a particular number of hours.

[Restless]

I didn't say that # of hours was a perfect measurement of skill or experience, but it is the ONLY efficient measurement we have. Win-loss ratios are nearly worthless, and the statistics that are tracked are inaccurate or irrelevant. We don't have a ladder system to see someone's rating, and we don't even have a level-up system either. Seeing someone's hours is the only way players can tell if somebody is going to be worth having on your team. Yes, you can play it on XBOX, but frankly, that represents a small fraction of the community, and furthermore, playing with a controller on XBOX cannot compare to playing with a keyboard and mouse on a PC. You can make smurf accounts too, but again, that is a small fraction of the community. If a person wants to play with people with x amount of hours, then its their perogative to boot people who fail to meet their standards.

It is undeniable that the statement "You have few hours so you're a noob" is true more often than it is false. This is the reasoning behind people using hours to filter unwanted players out of their games. Is there some XBOX prince or FPS prodigy who thinks hes amazing at the game with his 10 PC hours? Sure, maybe. Does that mean they're automatically granted access to every public game they wish? No, that isn't how it works.

If you are the type of gamer that likes to play so many different games a year, then you have no right to call other people "no-lifers" if they choose to focus on a handful of games instead. Clearly this isn't an issue of free-time, its a matter of dedication and passion. I'm glad you want to enjoy as many games as possible, but there are other types of people who really enjoy a game and want to try to master it before moving onto a new title. It is not as simple as finishing every level once, seeing all the cutscenes and moving onto the next title. Similarly, someone can choose to be a polyathlete and learn many sports, or learn many card games for example, or you can choose to focus on one sport, or one card game and getting really good at it.

In the end, everyone just wants to have a good time playing the game. The veterans define their fun by challenging themselves and having a close match with similarly experienced players. This is the opposite of what new players find fun, and specifically 'casual' players who want to loaf their way through maps "having a good time" talking with buddies on the mic instead of understanding the match and acknowledging skillful plays and personal errors or rooms for improvement. Some players enjoy a game by so masterfully reading their opponents and anticipating their moves that they have a completely dominating win, while others enjoy jumping into the fray and slapping together a sloppy win at the last second by pure luck.

And Chocobo if you think that the meta never changes in this game then you are playing it completely wrong and have no insight into the minds of competitive gamers. I'm sorry you play the game on such a basic level.

[Prince Ian]

difference between NOOB and NEWB.

[General SnuSnu]

lol i have a lot more than 62 hours, just not on steam another case of how hours aint a good way of telling experiance

[Fork_Q2]

Originally posted by dave:

Originally posted by General Bacca:

lol i have a lot more than 62 hours, just not on steam another case of how hours aint a good way of telling experiance

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