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IGN stealing the trailers
Aren't you guys mad IGN is just taking the trailers for the new update and uploading it to their channels without adding anything to them or asking permission?

https://youtu.be/AhvogyAXEQw
Originally posted by JAiZ:
Edit: I got in touch with IGN and this issue has been sorted out, they upheld their part of the agreement we made and have my permission to republish the first teaser and the trailer.

I was never contacted by IGN nor did I give them permission to republish the entire teaser without any edits (so it's not fair use)

I filed a copyright complaint, but just got a response fro myoutube stating "For each video in question, please provide precise identification of the particular copyrighted work(s) allegedly infringed and the basis for asserting that claim." - despite the fact I filled in literally every single box and question in the form.

I'm still trying to sort it out, but yes, IGN are thieves who stole the video and are profiting from it.

Originally posted by Survivor of Bad Circumstance:
Gonna devil advocate here-- IGN didn't really claim it was their's, and prior to that they kept doing the same thing because, in their eyes, and probably the law's, it's journalism. Distinguishable from theft? Barely.
Compared to every other gaming news outlet, IGN are the only ones who straight up ripped it 1:1, all the others added their own commentary and thoughts to it, making it fair use. IGN took it without any changes whatsoever and is profiting from it, parading it around as if their upload is the official one.

Originally posted by Royal:
Maybe Valve Gave Them The Vid to IGN So More People Could See The Teaser
I have confirmed that nobody at Valve authorized IGN to re-upload it, nor was there any deal authorizing them to do so.

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
https://store.steampowered.com/video_policy

It´s encouraged, afaik. Are you sure you´re not crying wolf here?
If they make reference to the original work (which I think they do), it does not seem like it´s being distributed separately.

I´m not sure about the ads though. Are there even any ads? If there are no ads... than they´re not making any profit from it. Right?
Valve encourages the publishing of content featuring their intellectual property, so SFM artwork and videos that are transformed and utilized ot create something new. They do not permit anyone to re-publish their assets without any changes.
IGN has also not even given proper credits - the least they could've done would be a link to the original to give due credit.

Originally posted by Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:
I thought journos had to provide commentry or something to rip vids like that. Like how reviewers have to talk over trailers or it gets claimed and struck down?
They do, and every outlet so far has done that! Even as little as putting text or a voiceover on top of the teaser running in the background counts as being fair use. We love seeing people react to videos, see VNN or wow such gaming for great examples of using the teaser and adding on top of it.
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SURVIVOR-DUP Sep 5, 2020 @ 1:29am 
Every gaming journalism does that. It's their thing. Don't wonder why everyone hates them. Though the only good thing that it does is shed more light into it, but nothing else.
SURVIVOR-DUP Sep 5, 2020 @ 1:31am 
pfffffffffft[prntscr.com]
Gears Sep 5, 2020 @ 3:21am 
Idk if IGN asked permission Jaiz to use the trailer, but if they asked thats no problem for me, but if not thats kinda stupid, but for what I know, Jaiz didnt say anything about IGN using his trailer but i feel he gave permission to do it.
Also get ready for IGN L4D2 2020 Review. (If they are gonna do a review)
Last edited by Gears; Sep 5, 2020 @ 3:22am
SURVIVOR-DUP Sep 5, 2020 @ 3:30am 
Gonna devil advocate here-- IGN didn't really claim it was their's, and prior to that they kept doing the same thing because, in their eyes, and probably the law's, it's journalism. Distinguishable from theft? Barely.
Thunder Lips Sep 5, 2020 @ 4:38am 
Who watches IGN or even visits their site still?
Sraigius Sep 5, 2020 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by Vespertine:
Jaiz unfortunately had to file for copyright infringement on IGN's re-upload. Perhaps Jaiz will make a "What's the deal with IGN" video soon XD
Wow. Respect for that! 👍
It's about time these bad excuses for journalists, these urinalists, frauds, paid shills like IGN learn the lesson that you cannot just take another person's property (trailer) without permission and reupload it and profiteer off of it with ads.

And yes, I temporarily turned off adblocker and launched the video in incognito mode. IGN's reupload IS monetized.
Magnate Sep 5, 2020 @ 4:57am 
Who the ♥♥♥♥ watches or reads IGN anymore?
These people make journalism into a joke.

If I wanted news on a game I'd likely have a friend spam message me on discord of it, like one did for the last stand update.
POPO Sandh Sep 5, 2020 @ 5:43am 
Not mad why? Cuz look at the views of the ign vid and original.alot of people got to know about the update which is a good thing.
Thunder Lips Sep 5, 2020 @ 5:55am 
Originally posted by POPO (Sandh palne wala):
Not mad why? Cuz look at the views of the ign vid and original.alot of people got to know about the update which is a good thing.

It is a matter of ethics and or propriety really
IGN always do this :/ and click bait XD
Royal Sep 5, 2020 @ 6:01am 
Maybe Valve Gave Them The Vid to IGN So More People Could See The Teaser
Last edited by Royal; Sep 5, 2020 @ 6:02am
AustrAlien2010 Sep 5, 2020 @ 6:26am 
https://store.steampowered.com/video_policy

It´s encouraged, afaik. Are you sure you´re not crying wolf here?
If they make reference to the original work (which I think they do), it does not seem like it´s being distributed separately.

I´m not sure about the advertisements though. Are there even any advertisements? If there are no advertisements... than they´re not making any profit from it. Right?
If there are advertisements coming with that video, than it could be a problem.

I´m getting some advertisements here from IGN. :steamsad:
I am not sure if this is okay. Something about the YouTube partner program... IGN could have asked, I suppose.
Last edited by AustrAlien2010; Sep 5, 2020 @ 7:35am
They could have just embedded the link to the proper vid. My tin foil hat is saying its so they get ad revenue from that vid. Where if they link the origonal theres no profit for them.

On the other hand like someone else said the exposure is much better. So is the exposure worth having the vid ripped.... thats up to the guys developing the update.

I thought journos had to provide commentry or something to rip vids like that. Like how reviewers have to talk over trailers or it gets claimed and struck down?
The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic.
JAiZ Sep 5, 2020 @ 7:15am 
Edit: I got in touch with IGN and this issue has been sorted out, they upheld their part of the agreement we made and have my permission to republish the first teaser and the trailer.

I was never contacted by IGN nor did I give them permission to republish the entire teaser without any edits (so it's not fair use)

I filed a copyright complaint, but just got a response fro myoutube stating "For each video in question, please provide precise identification of the particular copyrighted work(s) allegedly infringed and the basis for asserting that claim." - despite the fact I filled in literally every single box and question in the form.

I'm still trying to sort it out, but yes, IGN are thieves who stole the video and are profiting from it.

Originally posted by Survivor of Bad Circumstance:
Gonna devil advocate here-- IGN didn't really claim it was their's, and prior to that they kept doing the same thing because, in their eyes, and probably the law's, it's journalism. Distinguishable from theft? Barely.
Compared to every other gaming news outlet, IGN are the only ones who straight up ripped it 1:1, all the others added their own commentary and thoughts to it, making it fair use. IGN took it without any changes whatsoever and is profiting from it, parading it around as if their upload is the official one.

Originally posted by Royal:
Maybe Valve Gave Them The Vid to IGN So More People Could See The Teaser
I have confirmed that nobody at Valve authorized IGN to re-upload it, nor was there any deal authorizing them to do so.

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:
https://store.steampowered.com/video_policy

It´s encouraged, afaik. Are you sure you´re not crying wolf here?
If they make reference to the original work (which I think they do), it does not seem like it´s being distributed separately.

I´m not sure about the ads though. Are there even any ads? If there are no ads... than they´re not making any profit from it. Right?
Valve encourages the publishing of content featuring their intellectual property, so SFM artwork and videos that are transformed and utilized ot create something new. They do not permit anyone to re-publish their assets without any changes.
IGN has also not even given proper credits - the least they could've done would be a link to the original to give due credit.

Originally posted by Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:
I thought journos had to provide commentry or something to rip vids like that. Like how reviewers have to talk over trailers or it gets claimed and struck down?
They do, and every outlet so far has done that! Even as little as putting text or a voiceover on top of the teaser running in the background counts as being fair use. We love seeing people react to videos, see VNN or wow such gaming for great examples of using the teaser and adding on top of it.
Last edited by JAiZ; Sep 18, 2020 @ 11:06pm
Originally posted by Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:
On the other hand like someone else said the exposure is much better. So is the exposure worth having the vid ripped.... thats up to the guys developing the update.

It's more to do with the scummy practices that a multi-million corporation is doing and has clearly shown is has failed in following copyright laws. They didn't even link Jaiz's channel in the description and just slapped on the IGN logo at the end. This is like the fiasco with Helms Deep where the author claimed they owned the video when they actually didn't. You should stand up for your rights and demand concessions, you own it afterall.
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