Kicked at the end of a 1.5 hour Elite Deep Dive before getting reward

[Prometheus]

I got kicked very close to the end of an Elite Deep Dive for no reason, and did not receive my final reward. This is gigantic abuse, and I'm angry that I wasted an hour and a half carrying the bloody team.

> Players should not be able to kick others without a majority vote, after someone has invested so much time in a mission. Especially so in deep dives.

> If you get kicked, you should get the fraction of the reward proportional to the amount of time you invested in a mission, including matrix cores, and overclocks.

> In long missions, there should be an additional kick penalty applied to the host. If the host want to kick someone so badly after 90 minutes, then the situation must be dire enough that the host should be willing to pay a giant penalty from the mission reward if they so badly do not want another player to complete the mission.

I'm quitting the game until this issue is fixed, and won't be buying any more games from Ghost Ship either. Its disappointing that they can't fix this problem even after so many users have complained about how the kick system is abused without accountability.

[Cactus-Cat]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

> Players should not be able to kick others without a majority vote, after someone has invested so much time in a mission.

This is a often discussed topic. Many people support this, but there are also many against it. As far as I know there are no official plans to change anything.

Originally posted by Prometheus:

> If you get kicked, you should get the fraction of the reward proportional to the amount of time you invested in a mission, including matrix cores, and overclocks.

The game already does the exact thing you want. But in normal missions it will still count as a failed mission and give you only 25% of the reward.

Originally posted by Prometheus:

I'm quitting the game until this issue is fixed, and the devs credit the reward for this week's highly difficult deep dive to my account

The developers can't do anything to give you the cosmetic core. All save files are stored on your computer and they aren't even strictly connected to your steam account.

[dimi]

+1 for all the suggestions. Or at least for th votekick for the deep dives

Originally posted by Prometheus:

I'm quitting the game until this issue is fixed, and the devs credit the reward for this week's highly difficult deep dive to my account. Fix your broken house.

I did the same. My dissatisfaction with the way the endgame works and this chance for abuse on longer deep dives means that I just don't care anymore.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

I'm quitting the game until this issue is fixed, and the devs credit the reward for this week's highly difficult deep dive to my account. Fix your broken house.

As others have said, saves are local; so the dev's couldn't credit you with anything even if they wanted to.

Also, if you let what one person did stop you from playing the game, then he's really won and you've really lost.

You're letting him control you, brush it off and get back in the saddle.

[Chibbity]

I'm going to be honest, if what happened affected you this badly, online games aren't for you; you are prolly better off sticking to single player games.

Best of luck working through whatever personal issues cause you to be unable to move past things like this.

[Dwarfurious]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

Chibbity, why don't you work on leaving your parents' basement and perhaps getting a real job first, before you provide unfounded advice to strangers online?

I wish you all the best in finding a job that suits your skills, whatever that might be.

This is why i so strongly disbelieve people when they say they got kicked for no reason; as a mod i see "i got banned for NO reason" all the time.
Even with votekick people still gonna get kicked and make posts about how they got vote kicked for no reason.
Also dont report peoples comments and then FIRE BACK AT THEM EVEN WORSE. Thats just drawing mod attention to the thread!

[Chibbity]

Based on the personal attack and general attitude; case closed? OP likely deserved the kick and is omitting his own actions from the story that led to him being booted from the game.

Also, a quick check of my profile would have showed you my Steam account is 16 years old; some basic math and common sense would have given you my age range. (Ie. I was alive and old enough to be playing video games before Steam was even a thing.) Dismissing people offhand is prolly easier for you though?

My advice was genuine btw and not sarcastic. Assuming that's what actually happened in the first place; you are going to be kicked for no reason, if not in this game than in another. It's part of gaming online with other people. You can't just run away and write off whatever game you are playing atm over it. You will run out of games to play very fast with that attitude.

[dimi]

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

This is why i so strongly disbelieve people when they say they got kicked for no reason; as a mod i see "i got banned for NO reason" all the time.

There's a very big different between getting banned from a forum by a moderator who bound by at least some rules and a rando host who can kick you for no reason, even if he just feels like it, regardless of your performance or your action or your behaviour in the team. I wouldn't compare the two, they are different situations.

[GrimToadstool]

Just saying, if you fear getting kicked, you can always host yourself.

As for the "no reason" thing, well... see this perspective. If I got an engineer in my team, who wastes all the ammo, doesn't respond to pings, has the ressources not platformed after a minute of having entered a room and generally pays no attention, and is probably even late for the droppod, then I will have all the reasons to kick him, where as from his perspective he'll see it as no reason, because his own suckage escaped his attention.
On the other side there some rare trolls who will find it funny to kick someone short before the end. Just because they are pathetic excuses for persons who lack even the slightest grasp of normal social conduct. In that case, getting kicked is no fault of your own.
In both cases you're gonna claim you were kicked for no reason.

[dimi]

Originally posted by Wiawyr:

And yet they're very similar in that people say "I didn't do anything! There was no reason!" when the truth is somewhat different because they don't like the consequences.

They say that because it's simply unfair to be kicked toward the end of missions especially deep dives after you invested and helped the team achieve their goals. Unless you're intentionally killing your teammate or actively griefing, there is no objective reason to kick a player out because he or she irritated the host a little bit. The "punishent" if I can even call that doesn't fit the crime in this case, hence why people are upset in these cases. A host has full liberty to remove any player for any reason from his game, a moderator has to obey by the rules of the forum at least to some degree. I hope this helped you understand the difference between the two.

Originally posted by GrimToadstool:

Just saying, if you fear getting kicked, you can always host yourself.

As for the "no reason" thing, well... see this perspective. If I got an engineer in my team, who wastes all the ammo, doesn't respond to pings, has the ressources not platformed after a minute of having entered a room and generally pays no attention, and is probably even late for the droppod, then I will have all the reasons to kick him, where as from his perspective he'll see it as no reason, because his own suckage escaped his attention.
On the other side there some rare trolls who will find it funny to kick someone short before the end. Just because they are pathetic excuses for persons who lack even the slightest grasp of normal social conduct. In that case, getting kicked is no fault of your own.
In both cases you're gonna claim you were kicked for no reason.

Yeah there's an inherent risk of this if youi let people host their games, which is fine, although I think it can be negated with designing the system better. It's just that when this happens to you on a mission that requires more investment, like when playing a deep dive, that is time limited and getting kicked after playing more than half an hour, you feel a bit cheated, since you played for literally no rewards.
I'd say giving the player a portion of the rewards that the player personally collected (or all of it frankly, since he already worked for them technically), wouldn't be a bad idea. You could argue that it would reward bad behaviour, but since they mined those resouirces, it benefited the team's effort, regardless how they behaved. If you tie the kicked player's rewards to what they collected would be fair and would lessen the dissapointment after getting kicked. I honestly can't see a downside to this.

[Prometheus]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Based on the personal attack and general attitude; case closed? OP likely deserved the kick and is omitting his own actions from the story that led to him being booted from the game.

Also, a quick check of my profile would have showed you my Steam account is 16 years old;

You said that you have a 16 year old account. Yet you make such unfounded statements as "OP likely deserved the kick because xyz" without any evidence. This is not indicative of wisdom from age.

Originally posted by Chibbity:

My advice was genuine btw and not sarcastic.

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Also, if you let what one person did stop you from playing the game, then he's really won and you've really lost.

You're letting him control you, brush it off and get back in the saddle.

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Best of luck working through whatever personal issues cause you to be unable to move past things like this.

Your advice is unfounded and unwarranted.

I actually feel bad for you man. Perhaps you have nothing else eventful happening in life, and all you've got is this? Posting speculative opinions about a stranger's post on a online forum, trying to troll / provoke them, because you want to be heard but there is no one else that would hear you. Its okay man, I understand.

[Prometheus]

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

Also dont report peoples comments and then FIRE BACK AT THEM EVEN WORSE. Thats just drawing mod attention to the thread!

Originally posted by Prometheus:

Chibbity, why don't you work on leaving your parents' basement and perhaps getting a real job first, before you provide unfounded advice to strangers online?

I wish you all the best in finding a job that suits your skills, whatever that might be.

I find it quite acceptable to counterinsult a troll. But I've decided to delete that post, and make another one that is more subtle, since the rules of moderation are just written by other individuals, who are no more moral than I am.

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

This is why i so strongly disbelieve people when they say they got kicked for no reason; as a mod i see "i got banned for NO reason" all the time.

In order to be a better mod, you should stop speculating. "I see this all the time" is anecdotal.

The only valid question should be, did you see it happening in the specific instance where this happened?

[Snaggle]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

I'm quitting the game until this issue is fixed, and the devs credit the reward for this week's highly difficult deep dive to my account. Fix your broken house.

Good for you, join the entitlement queue of people that are so out of touch of reality it's amusing.