Weapons that need more Clean overclocks

[Detective Useless]

A lot of attention gets drawn to the Balanced and Unstable overclocks, but I feel like Clean overclocks are important and serve a a useful purpose in terms of "normal" builds. Unfortunately, there are quite a few weapons where the selection of Cleans is lacking, either in terms of raw number or because their current Cleans don't encompass enough setups. I wanted to draw these to light and envision some possible cleans that could fill in the gaps:

Zhukov Nuk17
Let's start with probably the worst example of OC drought in this game. Not only is there only 5 oveclocks total on the Zhukovs, 3 of them are unstables, leaving only 1 clean and 1 balanced. The 2 non-unstables also are lacking in impact, with the clean only granting marginal increases in fire rate and reload speed. What if there was an OC that increased accuracy? This would give the Zhukovs some much needed flexibility. Something like Super-Slim Rounds on the Stubby would work well on the Zhukovs.
"Slim Shots"
+10 combined magazine size
25% reduction in spread (multiplicative with T3B)

Cryo Cannon
Cryo only has 1 clean since they un-perfected Tuned Cooler, so I thought I'd give it a bit more punch. Damage options are rather limited for Cryo, so a minor increase wouldn't hurt.
"Bit More Bite"
+1 damage
+25% pressure gain rate

Subata 120
2 cleans for Subata, one of which is probably the worst homebrew powder in the game. I have a few ideas for this, one of which is a small ammo increase, but I feel ammo should go to the current unstable instead. I remember Subata one having a mod that adds corrosive damage, which I forget the name of, so I wanted to honor the spirit of that by giving an OC a similar effect.
"Acid-Tipped Bullets"
+2 corrosive damage
+50% Armor Breaking

Shard Diffractor
If you don't count Overdrive Booster, there's only one clean, and everything else is very transformative. I want an OC that changes little about the operation, and quite like Combat Mobility in concept, so I went with something like that.
"Lightweight Chassis"
No movement penalty when firing
+1 Direct damage

[Bookslayer10]

I think the Bulldog also deserves a better clean OC. A simple +reload rate, +ammo would be great.

[SCamp]

I don't think the problem is lack of clean OCs...

I think some weapons just have a lack of OCs overall compared to others.

[babuk.fracal]

The only one I am going to disagree with is for the subata.

The worst homebrew oc is on the gk2

HP subata works well when paired with t5A and because you are shooting an ignited target the damage "loss" barely matter (and because of how t5A work, shooting the target keep it on fire).

What the subata needs for its cleans is to change chain hit to make it work with t5B when using cryo and improve its interaction with t5C



I like the other ideas though.

[Detective Useless]

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

The only one I am going to disagree with is for the subata.

The worst homebrew oc is on the gk2

HP subata works well when paired with t5A and because you are shooting an ignited target the damage "loss" barely matter (and because of how t5A work, shooting the target keep it on fire).

Homebrew on the Subata runs into a problem where high rolls don't do much but low rolls can mess things up. Granted, I am basing this on my standard subata setup with weakpoint and one damage mod. 15 damage with +100% weakpoint damage means you can reliably 2-shot grunts to the face, in addition to popping mactera and dumping into burning praetorian weakspots. However, with homebrew it becomes possible for both of your shots to roll low and fail to 2-shot grunts. You still usually will, but I'll take "always" over "usually" most of the time. Homebrew GK2 doesn't have a similar problem as long as you take T2 damage.

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by Detective Useless:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

The only one I am going to disagree with is for the subata.

The worst homebrew oc is on the gk2

HP subata works well when paired with t5A and because you are shooting an ignited target the damage "loss" barely matter (and because of how t5A work, shooting the target keep it on fire).

Homebrew on the Subata runs into a problem where high rolls don't do much but low rolls can mess things up. Granted, I am basing this on my standard subata setup with weakpoint and one damage mod. 15 damage with +100% weakpoint damage means you can reliably 2-shot grunts to the face, in addition to popping mactera and dumping into burning praetorian weakspots. However, with homebrew it becomes possible for both of your shots to roll low and fail to 2-shot grunts. You still usually will, but I'll take "always" over "usually" most of the time. Homebrew GK2 doesn't have a similar problem as long as you take T2 damage.

That argument kind of fall flat when you realize there are no reasons to focus grunts with a weakpoint subata though

The gk2 base damage (even with the damage mod) and weakpoint damage arn't high enough to be very significant with HP.
Ngl, this one could just get more value if it was an upgrade since it would mean you could use it with significant oc's.

If the argument for homebrew subata being the worst homebrew are breakpoints , bulldog homebrew is here since you do lose significant breakpoints with this

[Detective Useless]

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

If the argument for homebrew subata being the worst homebrew are breakpoints , bulldog homebrew is here since you do lose significant breakpoints with this

Bulldog Homebrew does lose breakpoints, but the difference with that is that the maximum roll is incredibly high. If you chose your targets right, you'll be taking out targets with fewer shots more than you'll require more shots. This isn't really the case with Homebrew Subata.

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

the issue is that most cleans just kinda suck and even most casuals tend to ignore them because they aren't as fun to use in comparison to balanced and unstable options

probably about 2/3 of all cleans are dead weight and outperformed by superior options which fulfil the same role. the stubby is a glaring example of this, anything that isn't a turret gimmick OC just gets bodied by EM refire which offers more DPS and is just as easy to use due to having no meaningful downside
this makes about 4 of its OCs, including both cleans, worthless due to opportunity cost

as for yours in particular: the zhukovs one would get outcompeted (zhukovs need a base accuracy buff, not just relegating it to cleans) the cryo one is useless, the subata one is cool but it needs more AB because all of its damage is tied up in weakspot bonuses, and the shard one could be decent but probably not worth it in comparison to efficiency tweaks

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

The worst homebrew oc is on the gk2

counterpoint: all random damage OCs are terrible and the only picks that can be called objectively "worse than nothing" besides hipster, obviously

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by Detective Useless:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

If the argument for homebrew subata being the worst homebrew are breakpoints , bulldog homebrew is here since you do lose significant breakpoints with this

Bulldog Homebrew does lose breakpoints, but the difference with that is that the maximum roll is incredibly high. If you chose your targets right, you'll be taking out targets with fewer shots more than you'll require more shots. This isn't really the case with Homebrew Subata.

The only enemies where the potential damage loss matters for HP subata are on enemies you wouldn't use the subata for anyway
And that's still on the hypothetical of just 15 dmg weakpoint subata without taking into account T5A

Meanwhile HP bulldog is on a weapon with already low ammo, small magazine and low rate of fire that heavily relies on its breakpoints.

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by kestrel:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

The worst homebrew oc is on the gk2

counterpoint: all random damage OCs are terrible and the only picks that can be called objectively "worse than nothing" besides hipster, obviously :cozycastondeath:

Meh, I have always avoided to pick a side about hipster.
Most of the time I just don't find it very fun outside of combining it with a cryo secondary when taking superblowthrough
(also I would really like if they make m1k tier 2 more interesting)

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Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

(also I would really like if they make m1k tier 2 more interesting)

i can agree on that at least
honestly i preferred it when AB shared a tier with killer focus, at least that was an actual choice to make instead of just taking AB on every single build like you do with M1K now

[Bookslayer10]

Originally posted by kestrel:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

(also I would really like if they make m1k tier 2 more interesting)

i can agree on that at least
honestly i preferred it when AB shared a tier with killer focus, at least that was an actual choice to make instead of just taking AB on every single build like you do with M1K now

But why would I need armor break when I can just hit every weakpoint?

/s

[靐]

drillers c4. 300% more dmg against bugs with grapling hook.

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Originally posted by Bookslayer10:

But why would I need armor break when I can just hit every weakpoint?

/s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSZVYZTze74

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

Originally posted by WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW:

drillers c4. 300% more dmg against bugs with grapling hook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yzoiUIGGs

[Eugene]

Zhukov and Subata deserves base stats change/increase before adding more clean OCs for them, simply because they're pointless without unstables as of right now and other 2ndaries having better options (EPC Energy Rerouting, Boomstick Special Powder etc.).