Hellfire Coilgun is dead

[DOOM_Dwarf]

With the new update, Hellfire OC no longer gives +1m to trail radius.

One of the most powerful guns and my favorite secondary is dead. Man I hate nerfs.

[Lechuza the Scoot]

Originally posted by zverozvero:

Or shoot it with any other gun. Thats beyond the point.
Was it changed or is it bugged?
Line in patch notes suggests radius increased removed. Nothing about changing Heat trail that had independant 2m radius.

It's not bugged, it just that the trail width is no longer a bonus. Maybe you're getting confused or got used to the bigger trail radius.

Dunno, didn't felt like it was bugged when I used it.

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

shame, looks like you'll have to find another crutch now

[zverozvero]

Originally posted by Lechuza the Scoot:

It's not bugged, it just that the trail width is no longer a bonus. Maybe you're getting confused or got used to the bigger trail radius.

Dunno, didn't felt like it was bugged when I used it.

Maybe. I'm looking now through older patch notes trying to find when trail radius was changed from fixed 2m to check if it still had starting value separate from other trails but sifting through all those is kinda trouble.
As i remember it was fixed wm then changed to be affected by radius upgrade but still had greater starting radius than basic trails and current iteration seems to share size between all trails.

[Dwarfurious]

A lot of this sounds like basically "They should have nerfed it in a way that still left it as the best possible choice"

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

A lot of this sounds like basically "They should have nerfed it in a way that still left it as the best possible choice"

More like "i understand the nerf but why the hell trail duration is in tier 1 so its basicly unusable with hellfire?"

[Cynimatic]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

A lot of this sounds like basically "They should have nerfed it in a way that still left it as the best possible choice"

More like "i understand the nerf but why the hell trail duration is in tier 1 so its basicly unusable with hellfire?"

because hellfire + long trail duration is very powerful. putting it in a tier where it competes with other desirable mods is how the weapons and overclocks are generally balanced.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by Cynimatic:

because hellfire + long trail duration is very powerful. putting it in a tier where it competes with other desirable mods is how the weapons and overclocks are generally balanced.

But this is not even the situation with tier 5 where you can now choose between width and electrocute.

Hellfire is straight unplayable without T1 ammo. OC already has abysmally low base ammo. Thats straight up throwing the game thats not a choice.

[ShugoTheRipper]

People are claiming alot of things are dead as of late...

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by ShugoTheRipper:

People are claiming alot of things are dead as of late...

Stingtails certainly are.

I know i killed a lot of them.

[Bookslayer10]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Originally posted by Cynimatic:

because hellfire + long trail duration is very powerful. putting it in a tier where it competes with other desirable mods is how the weapons and overclocks are generally balanced.

But this is not even the situation with tier 5 where you can now choose between width and electrocute.

Hellfire is straight unplayable without T1 ammo. OC already has abysmally low base ammo. Thats straight up throwing the game thats not a choice.

Have you ever considered that Hellfire is still viable without taking extra ammo? Ammo inefficient overclocks can just be used sparingly, in return for the immense power they provide. Fat boy exists, and while it is pretty bad, lots of people still use it because they like the option of having high burst damage. Choosing between more ammo and more power is a good way to balance the weapon.

[FDR'sThinkTank]

I am starting to realize that when people say "Unplayable" it just means they don't want to play with it.

Many other people, in fact, most people... will still play with it.

Plus, you also have to realize that for some people... no means yes. To be told something is "unplayable" just makes them all the more determined to play with it, tears, protests, and recrimination just fueling that drive.

So unless you want to be stuck playing in rooms full of Hellfire Gunners, you might not want to kick up too much of a fuss.

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Hellfire is straight unplayable without T1 ammo. OC already has abysmally low base ammo. Thats straight up throwing the game thats not a choice.

hellfire still works fine with a 3/sec trail since it ignites ♥♥♥♥ so fast and effects like fear/electric proc are instant, you don't need to take the extended trail duration for it to work, it's never needed a longer-lastiing trail

also just mine more nitra lol, hellfire is one of the most influential and efficient overclocks in the game judged on pure ammo cost, the ammo count only matters if you're constantly spamming it down corridors where only one shot will be needed
(none of this is even to mention controlled magnetic flow)

[zverozvero]

I wonder what build needs that 2 sec of trail duration over 28 extra trails to place.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by Bookslayer10:

and while it is pretty bad, lots of people still use it because they like the option of having high burst damage.

Discussion of taste has no place in a balance topic.

Everyone can use what they want. Thats not the point here.

Originally posted by Supply Lines:

I am starting to realize that when people say "Unplayable" it just means they don't want to play with it.

No it means its underpowered compared to most other options you can use if not all.

I do not care about taste. Thats not my discussion here at all. If you are gonna bring that up do not reply.

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And again, talking about the tier 1 for hellfire here not the OC itself. OC itself is certainly usable but not the strongest anymore. That title belongs to another now.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by kestrel:

hellfire still works fine with a 3/sec trail since it ignites ♥♥♥♥ so fast and effects like fear/electric proc are instant, you don't need to take the extended trail duration for it to work, it's never needed a longer-lastiing trail

I just pointed it out because people talked about 2s trail duration as some kind of a buff to hellfire.