Finally Got the Pump Action For Engie's Shotgun- And I Find It To Be Mediocre

[MrPurple33]

First Off, Let Me Explain Two Concepts- I Play Engie More Than Any Other Class,
and My Favorite Weapon In DRG Is the Big Bertha Autocannon For Gunner- So That's What I Was Expecting For the Pump Action Shotgun- Big Decrease In Ammo and Clip Size, With Big Increase In Damage- This OC Only Partially Did That

Against Grunt Swarms and Smaller Enemies, Some 1 Shot Kills, But a Lot Of 1 Shot,
5% HP Left To Finish- So My Established, Full Auto, 168 Ammo Shotgun Could Kill a Grunt Mob of Say, 7, With 12-16 Shells, Plenty of Ammo Left- Pump Action, 4-5 Shells, Cool, But With Only 60 Ammo, That Decreases FAST

Against Large Enemies, the Pump Action Was Nice- 3-4 Shells vs Praetorians Against 6-7 Shells From Full Auto Mini Shells- Also 4 Shotted a Warden at Long Range, and the 'From-the-Rear' 1 Shot Kill On an Oppressor Was Very Nice, But Very Quickly
I Ran Out of Ammo, at Least Solo- I Have 2 Engie Shotgun Setups, 1 With a PGL With 16 Ammo, and 1 With a Shard Diffractor with a Battery of 300- Thankfully I Had The Shard, as It Had a Battery of 227 When My Shotgun was Down To 22 Ammo

In Essence, the Pump Action IS NICE, But It Turns the Shotgun Into a 'Second Secondary'- My Shard Diffractor Became My Real Primary Weapon Very Quickly-
I Can See With a Team the Pump Action Gives Engie 'Two Heavy Damage Secondaries', and His Turrets, Grenades, and a Team Balance It All Out- But Solo,
You Just Are Out of Ammo VERY FAST and I Ended Up Rationing My Shotgun Ammo and Firing, Which Is Alien To My Years of Playing Engie-

I Guess I Was Expecting a '1 Shot, Pump, Reload, Massive Damage' OC Adjustment- Instead I Got a 7 Round Clip (From Base 5), Very Slow Firing, Better Damage Shotgun,
vs My Established, 12 Round Clip, Full Auto Capable, Less Damage, But Much More Dependable Setup- and With a Crippling Lack of Ammo- 108 Shells Less When Fully Loaded

So I Can See the Merits of the Pump Action OC,
But It Was Instantly a 'One-and-Done' Tryout For Me

Anyone Else Have Good, Bad, or Other Thoughts On the Pump Action OC?
Because I Want To Try To Use It as an Alternative Option For the Shotgun,
But Right Now, I'm Not Really Liking It

[Dyn]

Why You Talk Like This? Has No One Ever Told You That Is Very Lame And Hard To Read?!?

[HeyThere]

Originally posted by Dyn:

Why You Talk Like This? Has No One Ever Told You That Is Very Lame And Hard To Read?!?

Yeah I Want A Follow Up On This Lol

[Tyyne]

Originally posted by Dyn:

Why You Talk Like This? Has No One Ever Told You That Is Very Lame And Hard To Read?!?

Because they choose to. If you find it hard to read, don't read it.

[Cynimatic]

Originally posted by Dyn:

Why You Talk Like This? Has No One Ever Told You That Is Very Lame And Hard To Read?!?

MrPurple33 is Jaden Smith's steam account.

[SCamp]

What Build Are You Using? Have You Tried Going Full Unga-Bunga Mode With T2 Buckshot Or Accuracy; And T4 Damage (Instead Of Armour Break)? Those Choices Should Improve Killing Power And Consistency If You Have The Good Habit Of Shooting The Squishy Bits On Bugs.

Though I Do Agree That You Are Forced More Into Spreading Out Your Ammo Consumption With Your Secondary And Grenades. I Don't See That As A Problem, Just Good Practice Comparable To Going Unga-Bunga Mode With Max Damage With Other Warthog OCs.

Originally posted by Dyn:

Why You Talk Like This? Has No One Ever Told You That Is Very Lame And Hard To Read?!?

Please, Plenty Of People Write Like This (Population: MrPurple33) And It Provides Entertainment By Mildly Infuriating The Minority Number Of People Who Have Standards.

[MrPurple33]

Thanks All, For the Continued Support of My OCD/Minor Insanity of My Capitalisations

As For the REAL Subject- Thanks For the Input SCamp- I Always Do Max Accuracy
With Choke- I Will Try That T4 Adjustment, as I Always Use Armour Break

I Actually Have Done a Full Solo Mission With the Pump Action+Shard+Shredders,
and It Went Smoothly- It Was Just, Right Away, Pump Action vs Full Auto+Lots More Ammo Felt OFF

I Can Tell That Pump Action Isn't a 'Bad' OC, and Good With a Team,
But For Me, Solo, I'd Like To Be Able To Maximize It More

[SCamp]

When I read capitalized words I noticed that I mentally pause for each word. It's like reading Formatting. That. Is. Like. This. And is probably why the pauses happen. It's not the periods that are causing the pauses, it's actually the capitalizations. Might be caused due to having to hold down shift to capitalize, causing a minor pause when typing.

[Chibbity]

Yeah, it seemed very tight on ammo to me, and it wasn't really my style; so I didn't try it for very long.

[Torres, The Devourer]

Taking ammo with pump action gives you the largest amount of total damage IIRC, but choke is a very good choice too and even pellets as well.
Using the shard diffractor is definitely the right choice. You can use it like a primary and still do well. VIR is one of the best OCs in the game, but I really enjoyed using feedback loop as well, and efficiency tweaks are also a great choice to use. I don't know how the BC works with this OC, but I did not like using the PGL with pump action.
Pump action can also deal A LOT of damage on weak point hits, but less reliably as MPA. It also focuses on damage, kind of like CO (although that puts it's focus into RoF).
I have mixed feelings on the warthog in general, and while I do enjoy pump action, I had this idea for a build of 22121 CO build to use the increased RoF for personal defense but also turret whip spam.
I wish I could tell you more but I don't have my computer for the time being to go into the game and test out builds. Got to do more college related tasks lest I incur the wrath of my old man.

[Derpykat5]

It's closer to the Double Barrel of Warthog overclocks.

If you find your shots leaving grunts on the edge of death a lot, this is a great overclock for you. If you're the kind of person who uses one shot per grunt then you'll probably not enjoy the ammo penalty, but it's still got some use for taking care of tougher targets.

[Chris!!]

Nice.

[kestrel]

pump action is pretty nice, i've been yo-yoing on it a bit but i think im prepared to say it's good
it has amazing synergy with the armour break mod for blowing though the likes of praetorians and stingtails, it's by far engie's best primary option for dealing with armoured targets. it also has blowthrough, something i've been desperate for on an engie primary* for years, and we finally have it now thanks to this OC
*i know LOK1 has blowthrough but LOK plays very differently to warthog and stubby, it's not the same

the ammo penalty doesn't really matter IMO when the OC has such a high damage bump but i agree the firing speed penalty is pretty bad. T1A and miner adjustments are more or less mandatory when using PA which locks you out of turret whip, but due to PA's low ammo it wouldn't synergize well with whip in the first place (and i don't like turret whip anyway so )

the only situation i'd say pump action is bad in is that it doesn't synergize well with breach cutter, which does everything PA sets out to do, but it's great with PGL or shard (the former especially)

[Blargo]

The ammo concerns I kept hearing about initially made me worried about trying Pump Action, but once I unlocked it, I've been using it exclusively since and have rarely ever run out of ammo.

Are players not equipping any ammo upgrade mods with it? I equipped one and that seem to work fine.

[SCamp]

Originally posted by Blargo:

The ammo concerns I kept hearing about initially made me worried about trying Pump Action, but once I unlocked it, I've been using it exclusively since and have rarely ever run out of ammo.

Are players not equipping any ammo upgrade mods with it? I equipped one and that seem to work fine.

There's only one ammo upgrade mod. It's a choice, but buckshot/accuracy tend to be more consistent killers, especially when attempting to aim at at squishy bits and being slightly off for whatever reason (pellets not hitting because too far away, or aim is a little off).

Basically...

- If you build damage/accuracy and shoot 60 ammo at bugs and kill 60 bugs, it's fine.
- If you build ammo and shoot 90 ammo and kill 90 bugs, it's better.
- If you build ammo and shoot 90 ammo and kill 45 bugs, you might be better off with damage/accuracy to correct for aim/range deficiency. (Buckshot increases damage by increasing chances to hit bug, accuracy concentrates pellets so more will hit bug at range.)

That's all single-target though.

Ammo should win out here for spamming out against crowds but there's also the learning gripe of getting used to lining up unoptimal shots against groups in order to maximize damage from penetrations. I'm sure lots of Warthog users still aren't used to doing this and are still in single-target mindset. (Fighting groups with penetration should favor Armour Break, but I'm probably still in single-target mode so iunno.)

tldr: Single target consistency: Buckshot and Accuracy. Ammo for longevity/general usage. Fighting groups and utilizing penetrations favors ammo.

(I like T2 Buckshot/Accuracy and T4 Damage, and use T5 Turret Whip... The only terrible mod for this OC is recoil.)