Whats the best OC for the M1000 for general use?

[Lycon]

I know theres some specific OCs that are best for lets say elimination mission with super cooling chamber etc. But for general play, one you can take everywhere and everytime, wich would it be?

[Qua2ar]

Supercooling chambers, It can reliably kill big targets and dwarfs.
Something to keep in mind when using it: You need all damage upgrades to 1 hit kill dwarfs.

So next time a driller looks at you funny with a C4 in hand..........................

[King Fossil]

Hipster or minimal clips, use ACBAX.
Hipster has more ammo and better recoil, takes three bodyshots or one mouthshot+one bodyshot to kill grunts.
Minimal clips is less ammo efficient and the recoil is worse, but it only takes two bodyshots or one mouthshot to kill grunts, so you don't need to reload all the time.

If you don't have either of those overclocks then it's fine, that build works well without them.

[Deonix]

13211 Minimap Clips

1 - More ammo.
3 - Armor Breaking.
2 - Magazine Size.
1 - Blowthrough. (anti-grunt)
1 - Stun because fear sucks and I don't feel like I need more reload speed.

Good for clear, decent for single-target. Pair it with 21122 Trifork Volley Nishanka (+chemical explosion bolt) and you good to go.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Deonix:

13211 Minimap Clips

1 - More ammo.
3 - Armor Breaking.
2 - Magazine Size.
1 - Blowthrough. (anti-grunt)
1 - Stun because fear sucks and I don't feel like I need more reload speed.

Good for clear, decent for single-target. Pair it with 21122 Trifork Volley Nishanka (+chemical explosion bolt) and you good to go.

why trifork volley? I hate the crossbow, it feels so bad. And always gotta check wich ammo you have loaded in a pinch feels meh. So far ive been using the shotgun with single shot + shockwave dmg. Was using the M1000 with electric focus shot but idk about it.

[Supa]

I really wanted to use this wep with zoom but zooming is just so slow and clunky, and uses twice the ammo so you're not really saving anything. Hipster it is..

[Blargo]

The M1k feels pretty solid even without any overclocks for me, so I generally just slap on the Hoverclock OC for the utility of not needing to be concerned with fall damage.

[kestrel]

active stability system is the best generalist IMO, mostly owing to its charge speed bonus. you can take the armor break mod (a very important one for the M1K to have) and still get faster charges. if you want to be a dedicated HVT hunter (aka you want to play scout properly), this is the play

minimal clips and hoverclock are also good picks. the M1K is just a really good weapon at base level, so you can afford to sacrifice damage output for utility. i would also recommend electric focus shots if you're willing to play around DoT effects - the DoT it inflicts actually outpaces the focus shot damage penalty once it fully plays out

as for the others: supercooling chamber is okay, but it has major issues with overkill and not very many good breakpoints. the fact it's so ammo hungry prevents you from focusing spitters and mactera, two of the most important enemy groups for scout to be focusing. it's a hard sell, but it's not a bad OC, just extremely niche

hipster is bad. don't use it

[elire01]

Originally posted by Lycon:

I know theres some specific OCs that are best for lets say elimination mission with super cooling chamber etc. But for general play, one you can take everywhere and everytime, wich would it be?

Based off experience.

AI Stability System is the best choice as it allows for both effective hip fire & focus shots. It's great as it nails all breakpoints whilst also being able to use blowthrough.

It's fast, responsive, powerful & doesn't hinder your movement. M1000 doesn't really need much to get going but the lack of movement penalty while focusing & faster focus speed make the weapon feel significantly better.

If you're looking for a great generalist scout builds featuring AI Stability System try karl.gg/preview/28355#/

It works for me, my friends and plenty of other people whom I recommended it to.

[Kill'em ALL]

Hipster is good, use it :^)

You retain capability of long-distance precision shots - what really makes the gun stand out and - when you need them, but can also handle crowds better and don't need to count every bullet. It's a good universal pick.

Maybe not an optimal one, but frankly I never cared about breakpoints and optimisation and can handle H5 just fine. Your job as a scout is not to deal a ton of damage to begin with.

[Deonix]

Originally posted by Lycon:

Originally posted by Deonix:

13211 Minimap Clips

1 - More ammo.
3 - Armor Breaking.
2 - Magazine Size.
1 - Blowthrough. (anti-grunt)
1 - Stun because fear sucks and I don't feel like I need more reload speed.

Good for clear, decent for single-target. Pair it with 21122 Trifork Volley Nishanka (+chemical explosion bolt) and you good to go.

why trifork volley? I hate the crossbow, it feels so bad. And always gotta check wich ammo you have loaded in a pinch feels meh. So far ive been using the shotgun with single shot + shockwave dmg. Was using the M1000 with electric focus shot but idk about it.

Single-target dps. Approximately a quarter of the dreadnought's HP in a single shot. IFG -> Nishanka -> Power Attack.

[MrPurple33]

Originally posted by Deonix:

13211 Minimag Clips

1 - More ammo.
3 - Armor Breaking.
2 - Magazine Size.
1 - Blowthrough. (anti-grunt)
1 - Stun because fear sucks and I don't feel like I need more reload speed.

This is also how I Built my M1000, for every Mission, except that in T5 I DO Use the Fear Component- I can always clearly see that when Killing a Grunt in the middle of an approaching Pack, 6 out of 8 of the other Grunts will be Feared and Scamper Away, Letting Me better Aim and pick the rest off- If I Kill a Prae, all the Smaller Glyphids Definitely Run About and Away

I Like the simple, Green Minimal Clips because it gives a slight Increase of Bullets and Clip Size, without Messing with the Base M1000, which is a Good Gun anyway- I tried both the Supercooling and Electrocuting OC's as they were supposed to 'Power Up' the Focused Shot- And they do, slightly, but not enough for the Tradeoffs they have

I Feel that I can Kill every 'Small' Enemy with 1 or 2 Focused Shots, and 'Large" Enemies with
a series of Weakpoint Hits, so If you can Aim Correctly and Kill with the M1000 you don't really need those Damage+ OCs on Focused Shots- If you can't Aim Correctly, then having Extra Damage Isn't going to really help you either, you're still going to be using more Shots hitting the body, not the Weakpoints





I Personally Greatly Dislike the Hipster OC, but it's good if you're a Scout who can't Aim
with the M1000, but then I'm not sure why you're using the M1000 over the GK2 AR

The Only Scouts I can Admire who really get into being a Hipster would be those who
DO LIKE using the M1000 as a more 'Frontline' DRG Version of the WWII M1 Garand,
of which the M1000 is Greatly Modeled On, especially the 'Ping' of the Clip when you Reload

[Kill'em ALL]

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

I Personally Greatly Dislike the Hipster OC, but it's good if you're a Scout who can't Aim

It's perfectly possible to have a different opinion and *not* be an elfhole about it. Try it some time.

[elire01]

Originally posted by Kill'em ALL:

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

I Personally Greatly Dislike the Hipster OC, but it's good if you're a Scout who can't Aim

It's perfectly possible to have a different opinion and *not* be an elfhole about it. Try it some time.

No, no. He's got a point.

Hipster is extremely forgiving in the aiming department and provided you can hit things on a regular basis you'll almost always lose out when using it.

[kestrel]

if you like using hipster, i don't understand why you aren't just using the GK2 which is ostensibly what hipster turns the M1K into. except the GK2 has more firing speed, a larger mag, higher DPS and much more ammo making it easier to use, and all more than what hipster adds to the M1K
even AISE, with its firing speed penalty, fires faster than hipster M1K (9 > 6)

with hipster, you miss out on the oneshots to trijaws, acid spitters, septic spreaders and cave leeches - the former two being some of the most important targets for scout to be focusing on. this is to say nothing of the reduced damage you'll be doing to HVTs, just so you can take a comfort pick so you have more ammo to waste on shooting grunts

the whole point of using the M1K over the GK2 is the ability to instantly kill multiple types of dangerous enemies with just one shot, in exchange for having less overall ammo and being harder to use. if you're not doing that with the M1K, i don't know what to tell you. you'd almost certainly be better off with the GK2

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by kestrel:

if you like using hipster, i don't understand why you aren't just using the GK2

Because -PING!-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBZPSX2e7s0