Still on my grenade launcher bs

[alexshiro]

So after my previous thread on Hyperprop, I decided to just use Clean Sweep 11131. Tried out the other two options on the middle tier, armor breaking seems useless and i think the faster grenades mess with the proximity trigger, but I'm not sure about the fire either. Seems to kill the normal grunts about the same as the normal boom, but I can't quite judge what it does to the bigger ones. Any info and advice?

[elire01]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chibbity:

Dude, we get it, you like "the funny jumping" OC, that doesn't require you to pick a fight with everyone who doesn't use it; different people have different playstyles.

RJ250 is statistically better even for simply using it as a default PGL, that was my point mostly. The issue you named is so hyper-specific I impulsively started to question your skill based on that.

[kestrel]

yes RJ250 is superior to base PGL. nobody is contesting that, but it's not the point

the point is that it's corny as hell. combined with the fire mod, you get a weapon with tons of ammo and a faster reload to brainlessly spam at crowds. it takes no skill to use. for as much talk as the blast jumping aspect gets, i've never once seen an engineer use it intelligently

it would be fine if it was just a mod that synergizes well with fire or just a blast jumping oc, but the fact it's both makes it a total crutch
i wish GSG never pandered to SCHMOOVMENT zoomers because DRG isn't that type of game, and all the OCs which pander to that playstyle suck ass

keep in mind this is coming from someone who loves the PGL (chibbity) and someone who doesn't like it (me) so don't try that "lol u dont kno how to use it!! XDDD" ♥♥♥♥

[elire01]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

yes RJ250 is superior to base PGL. nobody is contesting that, but it's not the point

RJ250 is superior to all variants of standard PGL. Thus, excluding Fat Boy & Hyper Propellant. One good & justifiable reason for using clean sweep over RJ250 was yet to be named. I can think of 2, neither of which is something as petty as accidentally pushing yourself around.

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

i've never once seen an engineer use it intelligently

This issue is exclusive to you and presumably the bad players you play with.

I've seen plenty of skilled players make a good use out of it, both offensively and utility wise and I often find myself benefiting from having a superior mobility option on a class that otherwise lacks it.

With that being said, it's hardly necessary to use it if you aren't concerned about the mission speed(playing anything other than Point Extraction). Using RJ250 for the combat stats it provides is more than valid.

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

i wish GSG never pandered to SCHMOOVMENT zoomers because DRG isn't that type of game, and all the OCs which pander to that playstyle suck ass

I wish for many things but rather than live a sorrowful life thinking about the unachievable, I try to accomplish as much as possible within my own ability. Try to funnel your hatred into something more meaningful than young people enjoying fast paced games at a fast pace.

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

keep in mind this is coming from someone who loves the PGL (chibbity) and someone who doesn't like it (me) so don't try that "lol u dont kno how to use it!! XDDD" ♥♥♥♥

Couldn't care less, make a good point first then fall back onto your thousands of hours as clarification for it.(or perhaps something more meaningful preferably, any fool can play the game for any amount of time)

[kestrel]

Ursprungligen skrivet av elire01:

RJ250 is superior to all variants of standard PGL. Thus, excluding Fat Boy & Hyper Propellant. One good & justifiable reason for using clean sweep over RJ250 was yet to be named. I can think of 2, neither of which is something as petty as accidentally pushing yourself around.

im not here to make arguments for clean sweep. i'm saying that RJ250 is a lame crutch OC and you sound corny for praising it as much as you are. it's like praising NTP autocannon
chibbity has his reasons for disliking it, i have mine. we're not the same person. we actually disagree on a lot of things, you know. i'm sure he'll be willing to verify that

With that being said, it's hardly necessary to use it if you aren't concerned about the mission speed(playing anything other than Point Extraction). Using RJ250 for the combat stats it provides is more than valid.

yes, that's the problem

[Chibbity]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

chibbity has his reasons for disliking it, i have mine. we're not the same person. we actually disagree on a lot of things, you know. i'm sure he'll be willing to verify that

I can confirm that Kestrel and I often have heated disagreements haha. <3

[Bookslayer10]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

Ursprungligen skrivet av elire01:

RJ250 is superior to all variants of standard PGL. Thus, excluding Fat Boy & Hyper Propellant. One good & justifiable reason for using clean sweep over RJ250 was yet to be named. I can think of 2, neither of which is something as petty as accidentally pushing yourself around.

im not here to make arguments for clean sweep. i'm saying that RJ250 is a lame crutch OC and you sound corny for praising it as much as you are. it's like praising NTP autocannon
chibbity has his reasons for disliking it, i have mine. we're not the same person. we actually disagree on a lot of things, you know. i'm sure he'll be willing to verify that

There's nothing wrong with saying that RJ250 is the best standard PGL build. It's a true fact, and useful information for OP. So what that it's overpowered? We are all adults here, if anyone dislikes RJ250 because it's OP, they can just continue using whatever they want. RJ250 isn't even game-breakingly OP like NTP, Breach Cutter and Shard Diffractor are still just as powerful.

[elire01]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Bookslayer10:

There's nothing wrong with saying that RJ250 is the best standard PGL build. It's a true fact, and useful information for OP. So what that it's overpowered?

It's less that it's overpowered, It's simply the fact that it makes the 2 other ammo overclocks redundant and matches the power of a clean sweep at the same time. The issue doesn't lie with RJ250 itself but how lackluster standard PGL is.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Bookslayer10:

RJ250 isn't even game-breakingly OP like NTP, Breach Cutter and Shard Diffractor are still just as powerful.

I think that's the exact issue I'm having. If there are so many more powerful options than RJ250 then going below the viability of it is unnecessary challenging yourself & giving up a powerful movement gimmick.

[kestrel]

Ursprungligen skrivet av elire01:

I think that's the exact issue I'm having. If there are so many more powerful options than RJ250 then going below the viability of it is unnecessary challenging yourself & giving up a powerful movement gimmick.

you said it yourself - it's a gimmick, and not one that everybody sees value in. in the same way i don't see any value in special powder because wasting ammo for mobility that you can get for free is wholly inefficient. you don't need to be leaping around the map like a spanish flea if you have a competent scout who can stay on top of all the minerals you plat for him

you might say it's "fun" but to me it's unnecessary and almost selfish to run RJ250 for the mobility (nvm the incendiary cheese builds)
do you really have that little faith in teammates that you feel the need to waste all your time licking the walls clean and taking away that job from the scout? i'd rather just run breach cutter and get to deal damage to hordes and HVTs alike

[Bookslayer10]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kestrel:

do you really have that little faith in teammates that you feel the need to waste all your time licking the walls clean and taking away that job from the scout?

For me it's more of a "Use in case of Emergency" thing, like if I'm in a hole with enemies swarming on all sides, I can just blast jump out. If I need to get to a downed teammate ASAP, I can launch myself over and outrun the enemies chasing me. And yes, if my Scout has forgotten to turn their monitor on, it's pretty convenient and time-saving to snag the last fossil/aquark/morkite vein.

PGL is still pretty mediocre compared to other Engi Secondaries, but RJ250 is top-tier when it comes to just PGL builds. The mobility probably doesn't make up for it not being BC or SD, but that wasn't what OP made this thread about.

[Dozey]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chibbity:

The advantage of fire is almost no fall off, works great for anything smaller than a Praet; it's definitely for swarm clear rather than HVT's.

Personally I love Proxy+Fire+Clean Sweep, that's my go to PGL build for general use; although I run 12121.

Just practice airbursting the Proxy in the middle of a swarm, you'll be surprised by how many bugs you can catch in it.

Pretty much this. PGL #1

For swarm clearing power, It doesn't get any better than maxed out AoE radius + Fire + Prox.

100% true.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

I can't believe we got the trolls coming in here arguing like you need RJ compound or you're a scrub. Are you serious? Bugs are slow and they aren't guarding a flag, you don't need to jump around like this is Tribes. You want firepower.

But the big downside to using ammo builds or flame builds with grenade launcher is the same problem you usually have; It's not the fat boy.

[SCamp]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hand's Hermit Permit:

I can't believe we got the trolls coming in here arguing like you need RJ compound or you're a scrub. Are you serious? Bugs are slow and they aren't guarding a flag, you don't need to jump around like this is Tribes. You want firepower.

But the big downside to using ammo builds or flame builds with grenade launcher is the same problem you usually have; It's not the fat boy. :frogzone:

You are completely wrong.

RJ250+Fire is for aiding the Engineer, Driller and Gunner in killing bugs and getting to new places.

Fat Boy is for killing the Scout.

[alexshiro]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SCamp:

Fat Boy is for killing the Scout.

But that's the Driller's job.

[Chibbity]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Dozey:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chibbity:

The advantage of fire is almost no fall off, works great for anything smaller than a Praet; it's definitely for swarm clear rather than HVT's.

Personally I love Proxy+Fire+Clean Sweep, that's my go to PGL build for general use; although I run 12121.

Just practice airbursting the Proxy in the middle of a swarm, you'll be surprised by how many bugs you can catch in it.

Pretty much this. PGL #1

For swarm clearing power, It doesn't get any better than maxed out AoE radius + Fire + Prox.

100% true.

I should have known Dozey would be a Dwarf of true culture as well haha.

[SCamp]

Ursprungligen skrivet av alexshiro:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SCamp:

Fat Boy is for killing the Scout.

But that's the Driller's job.

Incorrect, it's everyone's job.