Getting Overclocks still Sucks

[Dunhill]

I gave my last thread about this some thought, and apparently I wasn't convincing enough. My point is that it takes way too long to get a specific overclock, and that attempts to get it don't feel rewarding.

According to this video, it takes 5.5 months to get all the OCS, guaranteeing you'll get the ones you want.

The arguments against my point were that it feels rewarding to finally get the one you want. And sure, I can't disagree with that, but I think the cumulative disappointment of completing an assignment/deep dive/time event/whatever only to increase the odds of getting an OC from 1/148 to 1/147 outweigh the reward when it finally does come.

I see now that maining a class here is not as popular as it is in other games, but still, people do it, and I'm one of them. It sucks to get an OC on a weapon you don't care to unlock on a class you barely play.

Another one is that it should take long to give you time to try the OCs out. You can probably unlock everything for a class except OCs in 2 weeks. For scout, that's 4 entirely new weapons, 3 grenades and 104 upgrades. Considering that, the time frame to get the OCs just feels silly.

A "solution" that was offered in the thread was "play more". I don't need to say that the "solution" and the problem being one and the same makes the "solution" a bad one.

What I propose is some way of choosing OCs. To keep the struggle to get the reward reasonable, picking OCs should be a way slower method of obtaining them than normally. You can get ~7 OCs a week max, so instead of that, maybe just one OC a week to be picked is good. Of course, picking wouldn't replace the ability to get them at random, it would just be an alternative for those that want it.

[Tyyne]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MarcoPants:

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From the perspective of someone who got all of the OCs: Yes, it takes too long. Because of time gating

while this may have held true in the past, now that you get overclocks and cosmetic cores on every promotion, there is no more time gate. You are capable of grinding out exp for promotions and, as a result, overclocks and cosmetic/blank cores ad infinitum while waiting for the weekly deep dive and core hunt reset

"But I have to play the game to get the XP". /sarcasm

[Tyyne]

Btw, if you only got to pick one OC per week, it would take you almost three years to get them all. Fun.

[Chibbity]

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Well said. The joy of experimenting and exploring is a rare thing.

Just curious. If this system is good, then why not apply it to upgrades and weapons? Why shouldn't it take months to unlock that stuff on each class?

Again, you cleary don't understand the difference between vertical and horizontal progression.

That aside, it's a false equivalently; as said above.

[IEatCats]

Started this game just before the the Halloween event, going slowly (3-4 hours a day sometimes less, with failed solo and sometimes long missions cause my cave sense sucked) to unlock all the extra equipment for all classes

Didn't know the cores were given out every promotion until second promotion just before December, and since then tried to make all classes evenly leveled so I get to unlock 8 additional cores on the week I hit level 25

Heard this was changed to allow players to go a little faster without breaking the pacing too much, feel this is good enough for the casual player. Not sure how hardcore you want it as this game is not a PVP competitive FPS

[Dunhill]

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Just curious. If this system is good, then why not apply it to upgrades and weapons? Why shouldn't it take months to unlock that stuff on each class?

Upgrades and weapons are one of the first things you try to get, everything that is matrix core related is supposed to be part of the endgame.

Also there are two very different things since upgrades and weapons are the base of any build while overclocks are what change them the most.

How do OCs change the builds the most of upgrades are he base?
As far as I can see, there's a difference in getting them for no good reason.

[Dunhill]

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People tend to remember only the extremes; I don't. You're remembering the extreme, which is the joy when you "hit the jackpot", but you don't remember all the smaller disappointments that undoubtedly all add up to something more than that single event of joy. Don't sugarcoat it or euphemize; the system is bad, plain and simple. Even if I could magically change my mindset, I wouldn't change it to a wrong one to accommodate for the game's flaw.

I do remember all those little disappointments. Then again, I never had the "I must get THIS OC to have fun"-mindset.
I did not sugarcoat anything, if you carefully read the part "not perfect or good", you might understand what I am saying.

I need to have a certain overclock to have the amount of fun I'm having + X. I don't like that I'm losing X to a deeply flawed system.
Sugarcoating and euphemizing is calling a bad system "not good".

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

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My point is that it takes way too long to get a specific overclock-

you don't need to GET a specific overclock. they're fun sidegrades. if you're going on databases and telling yourself something or other is "optimal" for you, that's not a design flaw that's you getting ahead of yourself. you're approaching this from the worst possible mindset, there's no value in playing this game like you're competing for a high score.

[Dunhill]

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Upgrades and weapons are one of the first things you try to get, everything that is matrix core related is supposed to be part of the endgame.

Also there are two very different things since upgrades and weapons are the base of any build while overclocks are what change them the most.

Yup, apples and oranges.

Yeah, vastly different things. Especially a lot of them clean overclocks. Upgrades are stat boosts and clean overclocks are stat boosts; don't get them mixed up.

[Dunhill]

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My point is that it takes way too long to get a specific overclock-

you don't need to GET a specific overclock. they're fun sidegrades. if you're going on databases and telling yourself something or other is "optimal" for you, that's not a design flaw that's you getting ahead of yourself. you're approaching this from the worst possible mindset, there's no value in playing this game like you're competing for a high score.

You don't need to play any class besides one with only one loadout, but would you look at that, the game's more fun when you have things.

[Dunhill]

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Btw, if you only got to pick one OC per week, it would take you almost three years to get them all. Fun.

And I don't want all of them. I want very few of them and don't care for the rest. The entire point of the system is that in total, you get less OCs, but those that you get are the ones you want.

[Chibbity]

Alternate solution: Give all Engis fatboy for free so they can realize that it's a meme and Youtubers don't know crap about builds lol.

[MarcoPants]

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while this may have held true in the past, now that you get overclocks and cosmetic cores on every promotion, there is no more time gate. You are capable of grinding out exp for promotions and, as a result, overclocks and cosmetic/blank cores ad infinitum while waiting for the weekly deep dive and core hunt reset

Grinding promotions for overclocks doesn't sound fun. You'll probably hate the game by the time you get what you want.
Getting cores as a side effect of promoting is cool, but actively trying to grind promotions for them seems like it'd get really bad.

Oh for sure it would. One way lane straight to burnout city right there. It’s just that the hard time gate no longer exists, so calling the oc’s time gated isn’t entirely accurate anymore

[MarcoPants]

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Alternate solution: Give all Engis fatboy for free so they can realize that it's a meme and Youtubers don't know crap about builds lol.

I’ll take the warcrime stick down into the caves any day, and I don’t need some talking head in the corner of the screen to tell me that. Someone’s gotta give the bugs their daily dose of radiation

[Chibbity]

Players now: Remove the time gates and let me cherry pick!

Players if you did that: I got the game a few weeks ago and I already have everything I want! This game needs more stuff to grind for!

Devs: ...If we add more OCs would that help?

Players: Only if one of them is is flat out better than my current meta pick, and only for the 2 hours it takes me to cherry pick it!

Devs: : /

[Aratorin]

If you just want the rewards without doing the work, just use a mod that gives you everything, or have someone send you their save.

If all you care about is the end goal, the journey is meaningless, so you won't be missing out on anything by skipping it.

I couldn't remember why I blocked you. Then I remembered the 50 point list in your profile about how you hate everyone for everything.