Why so much hate for Bet-C?

[Sally the Wendigo]

Every time I come out of the drop pod and I hear *pulsating.mp3*, I am filled with joy as I absolutely love Bet-C as a teammate, especially when I'm playing Solo.

But I see most people absolutely despise Bet-C, both as a boss, and a teammate.

As a boss they say that Hit-scan enemies are not fun to fight, and shooting her weak points can be very difficult because she is always on the move.

And as a teammate people say they hate her for always launching Grenades your way, as well as always blocking your path, similar to Molly.

Well, I have a counter-argument to both of these points: Boss of Bet-C is actually very refreshing, As you always have to be on the move, and the use of Hit-scan to spice up the game play, and unlike most other games where Hit-scan feels unfair to fight, Bet-C shows a lazer exactly where she is looking, making the fight feel a lot more smoother and fun to fight. As for the weak points, they are located on her sides, and since Bet-C will always walk around you in a surrounding way, so her weak points are almost always exposed.
And lastly, her Grenades are easy to dodge and avoid. Stop crying. I play on Haz 4 and never had a grenade thrown at me.

But hey, what do I know? Maybe you think differently about Bet-C, feel free to discuss in the comments!

[Smetrix]

Do not find her battle to be particularly hard, nor do I hate her all that much as a companion, but on the more tight caves she can be a complete nuisance. Also her mines can be hard to avoid in the midst of a swarm, especially if you have multiple bugs on you and she continues to keep spamming the mines.

It doesn’t happen often since I am used to dodging her mines, but occasionally I will be low on health and she’ll lob a mine that I can’t avoid and it’ll down me. It’s those instances that make me hate her lol.

[BaronVonNapking]

I like her, you just stand on top of her with a thunderhead and go boom boom boom boom.

[Marmarmar34]

If they removed her friendly fire people wouldn't hate her nearly as much.

[King Fossil]

So your response to people saying they don't like the friendly fire bot is "just dodge".
yeah that's not really the most convincing argument man

also damn, haz 4, aren't you a badass

[Vandal Savant]

As an enemy, it's *okay* I guess. But it's extremely polarized in how the fight goes. Either it's over in 10 seconds because the team is experienced with dealing with BET-C, or it's a potential party wipe after 30-40 seconds of engagement because the team doesn't know that its turret will dirtnap anything that's either running forward/backward or stationary.

I don't think I've ever seen much inbetween. Not as a rule, anyway. It's telling of an enemy that's just not well tuned if its difficulty only pendulums into either Babbie Mode or Rusty Rake Prostate Exam.

What I'd try doing is place one of the charge-suckers on top of the turret with more HP so there's a clear target for even greenbeards to shoot at and make progress with at all times during the encounter, and create an easier segue of combat ala "Okay, the top weakpoint is destroyed, now let's all focus on figuring out the bottom one!"

I assume the idea of the charge-suckers being on both sides is supposed to encourage players to intuitively learn that strafing around the turret's poor tracking will keep them safe, but it's not really working.

[TheClosetSkeleton]

I like her very much, a fun fight with cheese, but also the uncertainty teammates. I like having an entity with chich I need to work with and pay attention otherwise I'll get blasted to bits.

Also a good incentive if you want to learn how to avoid bugs, because if the bugs don't kill you, Bet-c's grenades will

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

the fight is fine (you can avoid hitscan entirely by just strafing in one direction) but as an ally, it becomes an absolute nightmare
it gets in the way all the time, it's a constant risk of friendly fire, it barely does anything against hordes (no target prioritisation means it will often go for the lone swarmer 50m away rather than the praetorian bearing down on you)
worst of all you have to fix it otherwise it makes a horrible, shrill beeping noise which can be heard throughout the entire cave. i have a mod which shuts it up but that doesn't stop teammates from just repairing it anyway

[Sally the Wendigo]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

So
also damn, haz 4, aren't you a badass

That was more to show that even in big swarms it's still pretty easy to dodge.

[Diablery]

bet cs fun to fight, i also like when things go wrong so when theres a team that doesnt know how to deal with bet c its more fun (also because one scout/gunner/or engi depending on the build can deal with a bet c) as a teammate shes fine? the friendly fire gets me killed sometimes i guess but not that much cuz i mostly just let it do work. its kind of just a force of a nature you have to let murder every bug which for big caves is fine but not so much for smaller ones
some solutions i can think of from the top of my head are like use dash, or have your driller dig around her and ♥♥♥♥ as she murders countless bug families (i think people really underestimate the amount of power driller gives you in general)
also haz 4 is based. playing on any haz level is based. play the game how you want it.

[tv]

she's just a nuisance getting in the way of daily challenges and causing friendly fire.

[Frisky]

Bet-c as a boss fight is easy as can be, I’ve had bet-c fights on haz5 be over before the thing can even stand up and attack

Bet-c as an ally is less than useless, she’ll rarely get anything meaningful done usually opting to lob grenades up at the ceiling which fall short and hit dwarves on the ground, she pushes you about and unlike molly you have no control over how she moves and just have to deal with her pushing you about or bodyblocking your shots

I’ve seen boss fight betc kill more glyphids than “ally” betc

[Coffeefiend]

In the few rare cases where the friendly fire might make a difference something, somewhere went wrong anyway or you wouldn't be on low hp with a broken shield surrounded by bugs.

If you prepare the terrain a bit on salvage, osr or escort she can take out quite a few bugs by herself. The mileage on other mission types might vary depending on terrain, numerous small, stretched out tunnels are a bad place for adding another mule.

Overall I'll pick her up in most cases. I can't remember any situations where team/host insisted on leaving her behind.

[MrPurple33]

I actually LOVE Bet-C (Betsy) but I also play Solo 95% of the time- As a Solo Player Betsy is ALWAYS helpful, and even though 1/2 of the time "Taming" and Rewiring Her will result in
1 or my 3 "Lives" Lost, Once Betsy is on my side, I will never get close to going down again

And yes, Betsy CAN AOE hit you with Her Grenades, push you around when you don't want Her to, and sometimes wander to far off- But as a Player, Solo or with a Team, I'm always moving and trying to not be stationary, unless it's a Salvage Mission, or I find or prepare a Great Killing Area- So Solo, I just give myself a bit of space from Betsy, get out of the clearly marked Orange Grenade Impact Warning Zones, and run towards Her if we are seperated, but If I find myself with a Big Glyphid Grunt Swarm Horde- I then Lead the Grunts to Betsy and
Her concentrated fire

But again, I play Solo most of the time- With a Team, I can see Betsy being in the way
much more, or even unnecessary if you have a Good, Balanced Team, and they Betsy
starts wandering through the middle of a controlled fight, disrupting things- And in the Past, Years Ago, there WAS a Terrible Glitch where Betsy would actually Walk over to you, then
Walk OVER you, then actually "Sit" on you, trapping you and you couldn't move until she
got off, sometimes for several minutes, you could maybe angle 40% of the way and shoot
but that was it- Thankfully that no Longer Happens

I still do Like Betsy with a Team, usually 1-2 of the Team won't, so I'll actually "Hang Out"
with Betsy as a 2nd seperate Unit a bit away- Especially as Engie (Turrets and Betsy) or Scout (My Less Damaging, but Precision Firing with Betsy's Asssauly Capability) - I will Hang more with Betsy, but still come together with the Team to get Objectives, Revive others if needed, etc- You can make working with Betsy go well with a Team, and actually Keep Her Away from those Teammates who don't want Her most of the time, as Betsy will move either completely Randomly, or stick next to a Player- If I volunteer to be that Player, I've noticed Betsy will
kinda "Bond" with Me

[babuk.fracal]

Bet-c solo is extremely enjoyable
Bet-c with players doesn't really make a huge difference and more players mean more friendly fire.


And as a boss, I guess I prefer solo since with people it's either too easy or too chaotic.

[Julmara]

betc shoved me down ledges way more often and moley like gosh darn heckie gosh