What do you think about overcharger?

[Torres, The Devourer]

You know that one unstable OC for the EPC? I keep forgetting it exists in favor of energy rerouting and heavy hitter, But i decided to give it a try with burning nightmare.

I found great fun and success with it with a build of either 21211 and 21221. I paired it up with my ice storm build of 11112 (I stopped using the extra flowrate because I kept quickly running out of ammo. I will have to practice with it more)

Anyways, I wanted to throw this quick thread together to see what you guys think.

[kestrel]

really good with T5A, useless with everything else

the sad truth is that TCF will just make any form of charge shot build completely irrelevant because of its huge damage and no falloff
max damage overcharger can actually beat TCF in terms of raw damage but the presence of falloff and the huge penalties you incur for using overcharger in the first place will make it much harder to use

having said that if you want to use it with cryo there are probably more efficient builds for proccing temp shock
i use it with sludge because the overcharge shot softens enemies up and the DoT finishes them off

[Rayalot72]

It's bad. The only real reason to use it is radius on BN, and the difference is so marginal that you're better off with an ammo OC.

Slasher breakpoint is worth mentioning, but also not. It's very easy to hit with a single normal shot, or heat spreading. If it's in a very small group, spending 1-2 extra shots for 1-2 slashers is very cheap. If it's a larger group, heat spreading is never realistically going to miss a kill.

[Torres, The Devourer]

Originally posted by kestrel:

really good with T5A, useless with everything else

the sad truth is that TCF will just make any form of charge shot build completely irrelevant because of its huge damage and no falloff
max damage overcharger can actually beat TCF in terms of raw damage but the presence of falloff and the huge penalties you incur for using overcharger in the first place will make it much harder to use

having said that if you want to use it with cryo there are probably more efficient builds for proccing temp shock
i use it with sludge because the overcharge shot softens enemies up and the DoT finishes them off

The reason I pair it up with ice storm is to act like a mini breech cutter. If I feel a nice clump or line of grunts approaching that I don’t want to use my ice storm ammo on. It’s a very satisfying playstyle.

That being said TCF is still king. I’m surprised it didn’t get hit with a big nerf already. Hell, when I first joined drg it was pre modding update and post u34. I still saw several people complain about EPC mining.
Now I find it silly how TCF mining was such a big deal when I find its combat potential to be way more egregious.

[kestrel]

Originally posted by Mark, The Devourer:

That being said TCF is still king. I’m surprised it didn’t get hit with a big nerf already. Hell, when I first joined drg it was pre modding update and post u34. I still saw several people complain about EPC mining.
Now I find it silly how TCF mining was such a big deal when I find its combat potential to be way more egregious.

TCF as a combat tool has always been too strong. few will ever bring it up though, either due to a lack of knowledge or just plain ignorance, choosing instead to hyperfocus on the mining aspect
quite why i've never been sure, it's no more or less valid than a scout/engie combo. often there are situations where TCF is the only valid option to extract a mineral vein, such as those which spawn on ceiling ridges in the magma core biome
alas, this forum's old guard seems more interested in peddling it as another tool in the belt of the "sweaty driller chad" or whatever nonsense they come up with

as with so much of driller's kit (impact axes, cyro cannon, epc in general) there are very simple solutions to balance these things but these people only want to see them outright removed or nerfed into complete uselessness

[Creepy Necro]

Overcharger + Nightmare = you can shoot the Caretaker's eye from any side, no need to run around. That's the only one thing I use it for.

[Aimee]

Originally posted by kestrel:

TCF as a combat tool has always been too strong. few will ever bring it up though, either due to a lack of knowledge or just plain ignorance, choosing instead to hyperfocus on the mining aspect

I wonder if TCF is realy too strong, or just the only real choice for most builds.
A lot of overclocks together with TCF make a powerful build, and the other 2 options aside from TCF dont work together well with most builds at all.
Prehaps the Overclocks and the other two T5 options, are as much at fault as TCF is for being the best option for every build.

[Torres, The Devourer]

Originally posted by Creepy Necro:

Overcharger + Nightmare = you can shoot the Caretaker's eye from any side, no need to run around. That's the only one thing I use it for.

Oh? Huh. Thats interesting.

Originally posted by kestrel:

alas, this forum's old guard seems more interested in peddling it as another tool in the belt of the "sweaty driller chad" or whatever nonsense they come up with

Driller chad memes are the peak of Reddit humor to me.
I’ve seen it so many times it become less and less funny.

[Torres, The Devourer]

Originally posted by Aimee:

Originally posted by kestrel:

TCF as a combat tool has always been too strong. few will ever bring it up though, either due to a lack of knowledge or just plain ignorance, choosing instead to hyperfocus on the mining aspect

I wonder if TCF is realy too strong, or just the only real choice for most builds.
A lot of overclocks together with TCF make a powerful build, and the other 2 options aside from TCF dont work together well with most builds at all.
Prehaps the Overclocks and the other two T5 options, are as much at fault as TCF is for being the best option almost always.

Something I noticed while playing drg, is that I frequently see the same build for the EPC appear. That being 22222 with energy rerouting or maybe heat pipe.
this is anecdotal evidence, but I thought it was interesting to bring up regardless

[Aimee]

Originally posted by Mark, The Devourer:

Originally posted by Aimee:

I wonder if TCF is realy too strong, or just the only real choice for most builds.
A lot of overclocks together with TCF make a powerful build, and the other 2 options aside from TCF dont work together well with most builds at all.
Prehaps the Overclocks and the other two T5 options, are as much at fault as TCF is for being the best option almost always.

Something I noticed while playing drg, is that I frequently see the same build for the EPC appear. That being 22222 with energy rerouting or maybe heat pipe.
this is anecdotal evidence, but I thought it was interesting to bring up regardless

I dont see ''22222'' as the most used build, nor most recommended build at all. Even on the forums there have been many different build suggestions.

But Tier 5 almost noone uses T5.1 Burning Nightmare, since it is first off hard to use to al lot of people. You actualy have to use it at the right time, forcing situational awareness and good aim. But second it does not work well with some overclocks. Presistent Plasma does not work with burning nightmare last time i checked, so you dont get the plasma field. And even if they fixed that it will create the plasma field away from enemies.

Heavy Hitter OC also does not work at all with T5.1 and T5.3.

Lastly a lot of overclocks used to create too much heat to even fire a charged projectile. So almost any build that did not use TCF was unusable if you did not have the exact right heat management and trigger finger. They since fixed it (i read not tried) and the EPC will shoot a charged shot the moment it overheats if that still holds true. But it does not help that a lot of the playerbase has had that as an experience. And default to; Charged shots need TCF for lower heat generation.

I actualy dont even see that many people mine with the TCF EPC

[Deadweight]

Originally posted by Aimee:

I wonder if TCF is realy too strong, or just the only real choice for most builds.

It's strong in combat and still has normal shots to fall back on if ever needed, while also having a very powerful utility. Of course it's too strong lol, EPC as a whole is too strong compared to the other two secondaries.

Lastly a lot of overclocks used to create too much heat to even fire a charged projectile.

This really wasn't a problem for anyone that didn't ignore the change to heat pipe. Basic heat management lets you fire off three BN's iirc, or non-stop if you are patient. Enough to wipe anything but the big tanky stuff, especially if you've done basic set-up.

I actualy dont even see that many people mine with the TCF EPC

It fell off a lot after the devs barely touched it with that "nerf" a while back. It's still around though, still can find trigger-happy legend 3 drillers who'll run ahead and blast off every vein in the map.

[kestrel]

Originally posted by Aimee:

I wonder if TCF is realy too strong, or just the only real choice for most builds.
A lot of overclocks together with TCF make a powerful build, and the other 2 options aside from TCF dont work together well with most builds at all.
Prehaps the Overclocks and the other two T5 options, are as much at fault as TCF is for being the best option for every build.

indeed this is true; much of the EPC is set up to prefer using T5B. if not for TCF implosions, then for the lower heat generated. even most normal shot builds will use TCF, especially heavy hitter, because that x0.8 heat gen is just too good to pass up
T5C is just too awful to justify using. now that the slot is free, i personally would like to see the return of bouncy plasma. it was a fun mod and a cornerstone of many normal shot builds; a shame to see it go

having said that i do think T5A is a worthy contender for now, barring T5B ever getting the appropriate fixes it needs

Originally posted by Mark, The Devourer:

Something I noticed while playing drg, is that I frequently see the same build for the EPC appear. That being 22222 with energy rerouting or maybe heat pipe.
this is anecdotal evidence, but I thought it was interesting to bring up regardless

i've been running a little project on the side using the build inspector mod[drg.old.mod.io] where i take screenshots of the builds of people i'm playing with. for a long time now i've wondered what mods people are actually using, vs what people say they're using on discussion boards or karl.gg.

in about 50 games, i've seen 12 EPCs and 9 of them have used energy rerouting. in other words, seventy five percent.
so yea i dont think our concerns of ER being overpicked are unfounded

[Frisky]

never found it useful, I prefer persistent plasma with TCF