Driller question

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All too often other dwarves shoot at the same enemy I'm trying to freeze but once it's frozen they stop shooting.
For example, I'm freezing a goo bomber and they "race" me to kill it, doing damage while I'm freezing it, which is just a waste.
On the other hand, when I freeze a bunch of bugs, like glyphid guards and praetorians, they stop shooting them once they are frozen, even though that's when I need the most help--to kill them before they unfreeze.

What's going on in their minds?

[Mr. Man!]

nothing. their minds are as blank as a white canvas.

[King Fossil]

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Subata.

The best driller primary.

I have no idea why this meme exists. It's not like it's a great weapon, and it's not very visually impressive either. The description even says that it looks weak. And yet for some reason there are a bunch of people who act like it's really good. I don't understand.

[gungadin22000]

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İlk olarak Sokaku tarafından gönderildi:

Heavy Hitter Plasma Burn would like to have a word with you.... :P

Microwave with dispersion would like to have a word with heavy hitter plasma burn.

Freeze a whole wave, and swipe microwave right to left- All gone. The penetration is amazing for setting off groups off enemies with thermal shock. Also great for general wave management as you can take the slowing option from the upgrades and slow several enemies at once.

You don't burn frozen enemies with the driller.

Freeze praetorian, regular heavy hitter = fastest praetorian clearing in the game. Applying temperature shock resets the frozen status and only kills it halfway. Spam like 4-5 heavy hitter shots to a frozen praetorian and it is dead without needing refreezing. Throw an axe to expedite the process.

And run the mod that shatters enemies. It's the fastest primary grunt swarm clearer in the game and doesn't require help from your teammates. The reason they're not shooting your targets is because they assume you are running this mod.

For slashers or guards, apply 1-2 heavy hitter shots while frozen.

[Jaguar]

İlk olarak quaixor tarafından gönderildi:

All too often other dwarves shoot at the same enemy I'm trying to freeze but once it's frozen they stop shooting.
For example, I'm freezing a goo bomber and they "race" me to kill it, doing damage while I'm freezing it, which is just a waste.
On the other hand, when I freeze a bunch of bugs, like glyphid guards and praetorians, they stop shooting them once they are frozen, even though that's when I need the most help--to kill them before they unfreeze.

What's going on in their minds?

Crickets, mostly.

This is why I use the colette wave cooker as my pistol when I have a freeze driller. You can blow up 10-12 frozen enemies rapidly with it, it carries 300 ammo with no reloading (that's a lot of kills on frozen stuff, 400 ammo if you use a mega power supply) and you can use R on it if you need to deal more damage to a bigger bug that isn't frozen. I used to use subata, but no that was just being dumb. The small magazine and lower amount of ammo in the subata means the wave cooker is entirely where it's at if you're Mr Freeze.

But when you're playing with most experienced groups you'll see your frozen stuff blow up rapidly -- when the round ends, and you've frozen hundreds of bugs but only have 100-120 kills you know your team was doing their job(s).

[Shurenai]

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Microwave with dispersion would like to have a word with heavy hitter plasma burn.

Freeze a whole wave, and swipe microwave right to left- All gone. The penetration is amazing for setting off groups off enemies with thermal shock. Also great for general wave management as you can take the slowing option from the upgrades and slow several enemies at once.

You don't burn frozen enemies with the driller.

Freeze praetorian, regular heavy hitter = fastest praetorian clearing in the game. Applying temperature shock resets the frozen status and only kills it halfway. Spam like 4-5 heavy hitter shots to a frozen praetorian and it is dead without needing refreezing. Throw an axe to expedite the process.

And run the mod that shatters enemies. It's the fastest primary grunt swarm clearer in the game and doesn't require help from your teammates. The reason they're not shooting your targets is because they assume you are running this mod.

For slashers or guards, apply 1-2 heavy hitter shots while frozen.

Opposite experiences, I guess- I dislike the shatter option. Cold radiance is way more valuable to me- Being able to freeze anything up close in a second with the main cold+ice path cold+cold radiance.

Praets and oppressors are easy pickings- Don't temp shock them. Freeze, power attack + impact axe or drill. Dies or very nearly in a quarter second from being frozen even up on haz 5 with 4 players.

Further, the shatter mod becomes weaker on higher haz levels with HP scaling, needing you to get many enemies to half HP before they die, while just freezing them and zapping them with a microwave will explode and kill grunts regardless of HP (even guards only survive with a sliver, rarely) and not only kill the one you temp shocked but also affect bugs nearby the one that went boom, giving you great group clear to boot.

Overall, I prefer cold radiance because it makes big targets a non issue- I can freeze almost anything in about a second of being close, even dreads. And it also makes dealing with swarmers and surprise attacks much easier, as if I'm spraying at all, anything within 4 meters will typically freeze before it reaches me.

But, it's a bit of a playstyle preference, I guess? Both have merit in their own ways. What works for you works for you, what works for me works for me.

[Vandal Savant]

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What's going on in their minds?

Literally nothing.

Unironically this. Their brains are on auto pilot.

[Fryskar]

As long as you aren't freezing easy targets like praets on critical weakness.
I stared at cryo drillers doing it, but they never get the memo either.

[Sokaku]

I find the temp shock from plasma burn is quite effective on Praets, thought I typically invest in an axe first. One advantage of plasma burn is that you can temp shock freeze-resistant bugs like rollers & Goo Bombers to kill those fast by reversing the order. Hit with the EPC first to set on fire then chill and finish off with a couple EPC shots. Relying too much on the EPC often leads to an overheat.

If you have a competent team that is going to make short work of what you freeze and prioritize what you can't, then temp shock's not worth as much. In other situations EPC tends to be more reliable and /w heavy hitter primary fire build, neither TCF or Flying nightmare is much help at all. (charge shots are expensive for energy and heat)

[Jack left town]

Cryo driller is a pretty cool dude, he saves you ammo and makes exploders and even bulk detonators completely harmless. But we've all agreed to secretly dislike him cause he's not as Chad-like as the flammenwerfer or sludge pump driller.

[Siphonophorous Shenaniganry]

Yeah many people don't get how some weapons work. They pay little attention to others' gear. Try being a Gunner with neurotoxin. Poison a group of 20+ Grunts. They are already dead. Their health is ticking down, they are slowed and many are under effects of fear. You used like ten bullets out of 700. A great small victory, right? You saved ammo for yourself and others and quickly eliminated a small group. Yay.

Well no, because suddenly your team notices and starts wasting ammo on them. Then they cry about not having ammo two minutes later.

[NeloDante]

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The best driller primary.

I have no idea why this meme exists. It's not like it's a great weapon, and it's not very visually impressive either. The description even says that it looks weak. And yet for some reason there are a bunch of people who act like it's really good. I don't understand.

Subata is very easy to use and effective at what driller primaries suck at. It can also compliment cryo.
It's not a "great" weapon, but if you don't want to double down on what driller already excels at, it's the best option unless you can do EPC TCF at any distance with your eyes closed because that thing is clearly not balanced.

[Fryskar]

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I have no idea why this meme exists. It's not like it's a great weapon, and it's not very visually impressive either. The description even says that it looks weak. And yet for some reason there are a bunch of people who act like it's really good. I don't understand.

Subata is very easy to use and effective at what driller primaries suck at. It can also compliment cryo.
It's not a "great" weapon, but if you don't want to double down on what driller already excels at, it's the best option unless you can do EPC TCF at any distance with your eyes closed because that thing is clearly not balanced.

Imo the subata is the "i'm helping" meme of a weapon.
It does something, but not really much unless you do more than just shooting at bugs.

With hitting weakpoints it becomes sort of decent. Almost the same effect for hitting buring enemies. If it does neither or not at high % of hits, its bad.
It profits the most from hitting high WS multipliers.
Imo that makes cryo kind of a bad choice for it.

The other 2 weapons archieve better results if neither is close to 100% weakspot hits.
EPC's heavy hitter outmatches the subata by far in all, burst dps, sustained dps and total dmg.
The cooker is relieant on how quick you can heat/cool things, which makes it more difficult to be accurate with dmg values.

[King Fossil]

İlk olarak NeloDante tarafından gönderildi:

Subata is very easy to use and effective at what driller primaries suck at. It can also compliment cryo.
It's not a "great" weapon, but if you don't want to double down on what driller already excels at, it's the best option unless you can do EPC TCF at any distance with your eyes closed because that thing is clearly not balanced.

heavy hitter plasma
flying nightmare
temp shock microwave
boiler ray microwave
these weapons are all better than autopistol if you're using cryo

is it just trolling? are you guys just trolling people who ask for help? that's so rude

[phenir]

They probably don't realize bugs unfreeze eventually or think it's frozen so it's not as much of a threat as the not frozen bugs that are currently still trying to kill them even though those bugs are the next thing you'll freeze.

[NeloDante]

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With hitting weakpoints it becomes sort of decent. Almost the same effect for hitting buring enemies. If it does neither or not at high % of hits, its bad.
It profits the most from hitting high WS multipliers.
Imo that makes cryo kind of a bad choice for it.

The other 2 weapons archieve better results if neither is close to 100% weakspot hits.
EPC's heavy hitter outmatches the subata by far in all, burst dps, sustained dps and total dmg.
The cooker is relieant on how quick you can heat/cool things, which makes it more difficult to be accurate with dmg values.

I... hit my shots... so yes Subata abuses the weakspot bonus which is... something the driller primaries cannot do same that he lacks any true long distance fast projectile which the pistol fills.
As I said, the Subata is to fill on what the driller primaries cannot do. If you want to double down on the primary, Subata is obviously the worst choice - I cover myself and I never double down on anything.

İlk olarak King Fossil tarafından gönderildi:

these weapons are all better than autopistol if you're using cryo

Now try reading my post again.