Breach Cutter - Explosive Goodbye upgrade

[RaindropperinG]

Hello, dwarves

Despite sticking with my trusty PGL most of the time, I still enjoy switching to the Breach Cutter every now and then.

I've been experimenting a bit with pretty much all the upgrades for some time, yet can't find a proper use for Explosive Goodbye ( which makes the laser beam explode, either at the end of its lifecycle or by manually triggering it ).

This is likely also due to me usually picking either Triple Beam or Plasma Trail, which I enjoyed a lot right away.

Anyways, I wanted to ask you miners what's your preferred use for Explosive Goodbye, and where do you think it excels at.

[Frisky]

Honestly I think plasma trail generally does better in most cases with the lingering damage but explosive goodbye is a great way to defend yourself against naedocytes and swarmers which the bread cutter generally isn't super great at vs the PGL

If I ever actually use the bread cutter and build around explosive goodbye i prefer extra ammo and lightweight cases, it's pretty gimmicky but it's kinda fun otherwise I think it's pretty underwhelming

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by Frisky:

Honestly I think plasma trail generally does better in most cases with the lingering damage but explosive goodbye is a great way to defend yourself against naedocytes and swarmers which the bread cutter generally isn't super great at vs the PGL

If I ever actually use the bread cutter and build around explosive goodbye i prefer extra ammo and lightweight cases, it's pretty gimmicky but it's kinda fun otherwise I think it's pretty underwhelming

I've had the same feeling after using Plasma Trail for a while.

Been often using it against swarmers, too, since the residual plasma worked very well against them. Would some times even stand inside it, as it deleted the ones that lag behind the main group.

Will definitely give your build a try, though. Thanks for the input, Frisky : )

[The_Technomancer]

As a long time breach cutter user, I don't recommend it. Plasma trail, though less damage, is going to be far more reliable for extra DPS and small creature killing. Triple line split is obviously no added DPS except for the additional enemies you hit with the taller hitbox. Not to mention how impractical explosive actually is. Exploding it before or in the middle of enemies is going to lose you a lot of damage compared to letting the beam pass through, and exploding it just as it leaves the enemy is often going to miss or have the enemy immediately walk out of the aoe.

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by The_Technomancer:

As a long time breach cutter user, I don't recommend it. Plasma trail, though less damage, is going to be far more reliable for extra DPS and small creature killing. Triple line split is obviously no added DPS except for the additional enemies you hit with the taller hitbox. Not to mention how impractical explosive actually is. Exploding it before or in the middle of enemies is going to lose you a lot of damage compared to letting the beam pass through, and exploding it just as it leaves the enemy is often going to miss or have the enemy immediately walk out of the aoe.

I can see what you mean, yeah.

Most of the time that I've tried manually triggering an explosion as the line passed through a big target, like a Praetorian, its damage never seemed worth the effort of sacrificing a longer plasma span.

I will probably also just let the plasma line do its course and see how well the final, untriggered explosion can deal with any surviving foes, preferably smaller ones.

Thanks, lad :)

[Footman]

Explosive Goodbye helps against Mactera swarms, any that isn't killed right away by the beam or detonation gets burned by the plasma.

[Stefanonimo]

The only good use of it is with Spinning Death OC + Stun upgrade

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by Footman:

Explosive Goodbye helps against Mactera swarms, any that isn't killed right away by the beam or detonation gets burned by the plasma.

I've obtained good results against Macteras swarms with Plasma Trail already, but will give EG a try in that same scenario now; you got me curious :) thanks!

Originally posted by Stefanonimo:

The only good use of it is with Spinning Death OC + Stun upgrade

Definitely seems powerful with that setup!
I'll keep it in mind for sure, thank ya.

[Darkcarac]

I recommend return to sender: you hit the bug, hit it again thanks to the oc, and then beam goes boom. What more could you ask for. Takes a try or two to get used to it tho.
One of the good sides of this build is that if say a praet is a bit far and you're unable to hit it with the beam fully twice (aka projectile vanishes midway through the bug) you get some pretty good extra damage. No need to worry about getting absolute perfect timing the moment the beam goes beyond your target either since thanks to RtS it will come back and either explode inside or in front of the bug(s)
Dunno if it's "optimal" in any way, but definitely effective enough to be used without feeling like you're dragging your team down with you. Used it a bunch on escort missions some time ago and from what i remember i did just fine with it.

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by Darkcarac:

I recommend return to sender: you hit the bug, hit it again thanks to the oc, and then beam goes boom. What more could you ask for. Takes a try or two to get used to it tho.
One of the good sides of this build is that if say a praet is a bit far and you're unable to hit it with the beam fully twice (aka projectile vanishes midway through the bug) you get some pretty good extra damage. No need to worry about getting absolute perfect timing the moment the beam goes beyond your target either since thanks to RtS it will come back and either explode inside or in front of the bug(s)
Dunno if it's "optimal" in any way, but definitely effective enough to be used without feeling like you're dragging your team down with you. Used it a bunch on escort missions some time ago and from what i remember i did just fine with it.

Good to hear that it works well with that setup. I'll have to start experiementing with ocs, soon or later.
I appreciate the tip, miner!

[marcusaddamsson]

Explosive Goodbye and Return to Sender are both kinda in same bin for me. Both require too much "extra" attention to be terribly useful. Last thing you really need in a big fight is "1..2..3.." fire again!?!

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:

Explosive Goodbye and Return to Sender are both kinda in same bin for me. Both require too much "extra" attention to be terribly useful. Last thing you really need in a big fight is "1..2..3.." fire again!?!

This can definitely be a bother in many situations on higher hazards, I agree.

It's still nice that there are several options for when you wanna mix things up a bit, though.

Realized myself that I'll likely get bored of picking Plasma Trail most of the time, despite its general usefulness.

[ZakaryX]

Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:

Explosive Goodbye and Return to Sender are both kinda in same bin for me. Both require too much "extra" attention to be terribly useful. Last thing you really need in a big fight is "1..2..3.." fire again!?!

Agreed. My favorite thing about the breach cutter is that it's a fire and forget weapon that you can easily use while moving. Doing a jump>spin>shoot keeps you away from swarms while doing great damage. Return to sender sometimes can cause tunnel vision when you're trying to get that perfect line up. It's still fun though.

[Jack left town]

It used to be stupid broken with return to sender OC but no fun is allowed

[Jack left town]

If I ever catch you having fun in this game I will flagellate you with my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ beard

[Barser]

Return to sender used to be good. But its a long time ago.