Cheating makes me feel discouraged.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

It's kinda ridiculous you can slip into a modded lobby, even accidentally and get more minerals than you can even know what to do with. Why don't devs actually work on anticheat instead of adding battlepasses and a reskinned bulk detonator?

Like the game is an insanely long grind and it's kinda dumb Timmy can just use a program to get his dwarves to max prestige in a fraction of the time.

EDIT: At this point this has just become a battle of subjective opinions and it feels like we've devolved into going in circles. I understand the people who genuinely aren't competitive in nature and don't care if someone earns things they had to grind for, but they in turn need to understand that it's frustrating for competitive people who enjoy achieving things in videogames. Those people have the right to be frustrated about someone using a save editor to get what took them hours of their live to achieve instantly and near-effortlessly.

I guess in the end my final argument is that if the game has these crazy milestone goals requiring you to spend hundreds of hours of your life, they should make it an achievement by securing the servers and prevent people from cheating to it because it's not fair for people dedicated to the game.

Also, I understand the hate for anticheat, especially by people using Linux but a lot of issues could be solved by simply shifting the game to dedicated servers which is something that should be the norm in 2022 anyway.

Anyway, I hope I didn't offend anyone. I just get really frustrated when people spread misinformation because they want to sound right on the internet. I hope you all have a good day.

[RaindropperinG]

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

引用自 Johnno：

GSG didn't make the board game, it was done by a board game developer and an entirely different publishing company. It's been made absolutely clear that the development of the board game in no way impacted the development of DRG, financially or on devtime.

I find it hard to believe they're not getting paid for it at all and they're letting people use their copyright rent-free. But even if true, DRG has made them a boat load of money in just base game and DLC sales. They can afford an anticheat team.

The fact that they're obviously receiving a cut from the board game sales doesn't equate to that project negatively impacting on the development of their videogame.

Yours are merely assumptions, though.
I don't think one can properly determine how much it costs, both in money and time, to work on new content while also maintaining the game with fixes and the likes of that, especially given their modest team size (around 30 people, I believe, and each with different, specific roles to fill).

[JeanneOskoure]

引用自 Fryskar：

p2p ban as in rejected by the matchmaking servers.
Or forced SP mode.

I'm pretty sure DRG only uses steam backend API to handle the connection with user ID. Can you even get banned from using those servers outside of a full account ban?
(Also, to be honest, even this can be bypassed if you somehow managed to mod the game to handle direct connection, but I guess it means you can't retrieve the server list, so it's still a win)
Also, forced SP can be bypassed through more cheats.

[Fryskar]

引用自 JeanneOskoure：

引用自 Fryskar：

p2p ban as in rejected by the matchmaking servers.
Or forced SP mode.

I'm pretty sure DRG only uses steam backend API to handle the connection with user ID. Can you even get banned from using those servers outside of a full account ban?
Also, forced SP can be bypassed through more cheats.

I doubt its too much work to make it partial, as in only rejected if you start drg.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

引用自 Fryskar：

引用自 JeanneOskoure：

"If a developer communicates a ban request to Valve, is the offending player banned from launching that game – or from using Steam entirely? And, for how long?The effects of the game ban are determined by the developer, and must be consistent with a VAC ban, such as being prevented from playing online with other players and/or trading items for that game. It cannot prevent the user from launching and playing the game offline. It cannot prevent the user from using Steam."

Now I ask you this: if there is no server to connect to, how do you prevent someone from playing without removing the game from their library?
Did a bit of research, couldn't find any fully P2P game where that happens without the very rare case where steam completely locks the game out of someone's library.

p2p ban as in rejected by the matchmaking servers.
Or forced SP mode.

I genuinely don't understand why it's a hard concept for him to grasp. Like if you're new to gaming or have no experience with how game bans are enforced that's fine...but ask...he came into this post with a "Well ACTHUALLY" mentality to it and a "NoT EvEr GonnA HaPPeN, BuD"

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

引用自 RaindropperinG：

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

I find it hard to believe they're not getting paid for it at all and they're letting people use their copyright rent-free. But even if true, DRG has made them a boat load of money in just base game and DLC sales. They can afford an anticheat team.

The fact that they're obviously receiving a cut from the board game sales doesn't equate to that project negatively impacting on the development of their videogame.

Yours are merely assumptions, though.
I don't think one can properly determine how much it costs to work on new content while also maintaining the game with fixes and the likes of that, especially given their modest team size (around 30 people, I believe, and each with different, specific roles to fill).

I never said it negatively impacted their videogame. I was merely trying to illustrate the point that much smaller videogame teams which fewer projects who make much less money can still afford at least a basic anticheat.

[Amble]

Play games for yourself, not as an e-peen measuring contest. Someone else cheating should not matter to you. An anti-cheat for this game would be a total waste of development time, ineffective, and create more issues than it would solve.

It's very hard to accidentally find yourself in a hacked lobby, and if you do you can restore your save to just before you joined that match.

[Fryskar]

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

引用自 Fryskar：

p2p ban as in rejected by the matchmaking servers.
Or forced SP mode.

I genuinely don't understand why it's a hard concept for him to grasp. Like if you're new to gaming or have no experience with how game bans are enforced that's fine...but ask...he came into this post with a "Well ACTHUALLY" mentality to it and a "NoT EvEr GonnA HaPPeN, BuD"

The difficult part at catching cheaters is catching them and only them.
Most anti cheats are rather like a fence or a sign. Not actually stopping anyone really trying.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

引用自 Amble：

Play games for yourself, not as an e-peen measuring contest. Someone else cheating should not matter to you. An anti-cheat for this game would be a total waste of development time, ineffective, and create more issues than it would solve.

It's very hard to accidentally find yourself in a hacked lobby, and if you do you can restore your save to just before you joined that match.

A lot of people play games for the progression and the competitiveness of earning things. That's like saying people in MMOs should be able to cheat to max gold and level/gear and that no one should care about it. Bad take.

[JeanneOskoure]

引用自 Fryskar：

I doubt its too much work to make it partial, as in only rejected if you start drg.

At that point, it's just speculations on how SDR backbone servers work. If this is the case, it would also mean that if you have DRG runnning, you're banned from using every single P2P game, so I doubt it would be the case, but once again, it's just speculations.

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

I genuinely don't understand why it's a hard concept for him to grasp. Like if you're new to gaming or have no experience with how game bans are enforced that's fine...but ask...he came into this post with a "Well ACTHUALLY" mentality to it and a "NoT EvEr GonnA HaPPeN, BuD"

Cool. You still didn't answer the question. I guess you have no experience with how they're enforced either.

[Fryskar]

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

引用自 Amble：

Play games for yourself, not as an e-peen measuring contest. Someone else cheating should not matter to you. An anti-cheat for this game would be a total waste of development time, ineffective, and create more issues than it would solve.

It's very hard to accidentally find yourself in a hacked lobby, and if you do you can restore your save to just before you joined that match.

A lot of people play games for the progression and the competitiveness of earning things. That's like saying people in MMOs should be able to cheat to max gold and level/gear and that no one should care about it. Bad take.

If it had no pvp, trade or limited goods, what would it matter?

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

引用自 JeanneOskoure：

引用自 Fryskar：

I doubt its too much work to make it partial, as in only rejected if you start drg.

At that point, it's just speculations on how SDR servers work. If this is the case, it would also mean that if you have DRG runnning, you're banned from using every single P2P game, so I doubt it would be the case, but once again, it's just speculations.

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

I genuinely don't understand why it's a hard concept for him to grasp. Like if you're new to gaming or have no experience with how game bans are enforced that's fine...but ask...he came into this post with a "Well ACTHUALLY" mentality to it and a "NoT EvEr GonnA HaPPeN, BuD"

Cool. You still didn't answer the question. I guess you have no experience with how they're enforced either.

Surely you're trolling at this point? It's common knowledge games on Steam can restrict you from multiplayer. I don't even understand why you're trying to argue. It's a fact almost everyone knows who's ever played a multiplayer game with any sort of anticheat.

[Vault Traveler]

Anti cheat hardly works anyway, it also needs a dedicated sever to keep track for bans which there is hardly any reason to provide.

You only get hurt by your very own feelings, I agree it sucks to join a cheater and you get millions of unwanted minerals/xp/etc. and you have to reroll but its an 1 in 200-300 matches issue so its no reason to throw in massive security risk like kernel executed EAC/denovo nonsense that makes it super easy to get access to your computer and offers little to no protection from actual cheater.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

引用自 Fryskar：

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

A lot of people play games for the progression and the competitiveness of earning things. That's like saying people in MMOs should be able to cheat to max gold and level/gear and that no one should care about it. Bad take.

If it had no pvp, trade or limited goods, what would it matter?

On RuneScape there's a game mode called Iron Man mode, It's officially a mode put in by the developers. You can't interact with the economy in any way nor can you interact with other players. The thing that keeps people playing is the competitiveness of the mode. People would be so angry if you could cheat to max level it would kill the game mode entirely. Whether you understand or relate to it people like to earn things in videogames and it can be pretty infuriating when other people can cheat to it and that devalues it to other people.

[JeanneOskoure]

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

Surely you're trolling at this point? It's common knowledge games on Steam can restrict you from multiplayer. I don't even understand why you're trying to argue. It's a fact almost everyone knows who's ever played a multiplayer game with any sort of anticheat.

Yeah, you have no idea how it works.

[Amble]

引用自 BubbaLovesYa-TTV：

引用自 Amble：

Play games for yourself, not as an e-peen measuring contest. Someone else cheating should not matter to you. An anti-cheat for this game would be a total waste of development time, ineffective, and create more issues than it would solve.

It's very hard to accidentally find yourself in a hacked lobby, and if you do you can restore your save to just before you joined that match.

A lot of people play games for the progression and the competitiveness of earning things. That's like saying people in MMOs should be able to cheat to max gold and level/gear and that no one should care about it. Bad take.

That's completely different because MMO's feature PvP and competitive PvE progression systems, as well as deliberately made rare items and cash shops. DRG is a strictly co-op goofy friend shooter game.

I don't think you know what you're talking about in this thread at all, honestly. The day they slap some generic, widely distrusted anti-cheat on this game every forum relating to this game will erupt in rage. Not because everyone's a cheater, not even 1% are, but because they have a reputation for slowing games down, banning innocent players, essentially rootkitting your PC, blocking Linux/Steam Deck players, and costing developers an exorbitant amount of money.

If you think they can just program their own anti-cheat and wouldn't use something standard like EAC, and this homemade anti-cheat would somehow avoid all of these problems, then you're even more delusional.