Cheating makes me feel discouraged.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

It's kinda ridiculous you can slip into a modded lobby, even accidentally and get more minerals than you can even know what to do with. Why don't devs actually work on anticheat instead of adding battlepasses and a reskinned bulk detonator?

Like the game is an insanely long grind and it's kinda dumb Timmy can just use a program to get his dwarves to max prestige in a fraction of the time.

EDIT: At this point this has just become a battle of subjective opinions and it feels like we've devolved into going in circles. I understand the people who genuinely aren't competitive in nature and don't care if someone earns things they had to grind for, but they in turn need to understand that it's frustrating for competitive people who enjoy achieving things in videogames. Those people have the right to be frustrated about someone using a save editor to get what took them hours of their live to achieve instantly and near-effortlessly.

I guess in the end my final argument is that if the game has these crazy milestone goals requiring you to spend hundreds of hours of your life, they should make it an achievement by securing the servers and prevent people from cheating to it because it's not fair for people dedicated to the game.

Also, I understand the hate for anticheat, especially by people using Linux but a lot of issues could be solved by simply shifting the game to dedicated servers which is something that should be the norm in 2022 anyway.

Anyway, I hope I didn't offend anyone. I just get really frustrated when people spread misinformation because they want to sound right on the internet. I hope you all have a good day.

[Chibbity]

It's a P2P game, an anti cheat isn't really feasible.

Also, any mod that gives out minerals would be a sandbox mod, and you can't just "slip in" or use that stuff on your main account.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

It's a P2P game, an anti cheat isn't really feasible.

Also, any mod that gives out minerals would be a sandbox mod, and you can't just "slip in" or use that stuff on your main account.

Uhh, a lot of games are peer 2 peer yet have anticheat..and we're not talking about mods, we're talking about cheats mate...

[JeanneOskoure]

You can rollback your save in the options. This will put you back at where you were before joining the lobby.
Also, an anticheat would be useless. Unless it is a spyware that has access to every single thing running on your PC, it will always be bypassed. Even then, an anticheat is an arms race. You always need to update it, and cheaters will always find flaws to exploit.
And that's not even counting on the fact there is no way to ban you apart from removing the game from your steam library (which steams only allows on very rare and specific occassions).

Not ever gonna happen, bud.

EDIT: technically speaking, it would be possible to cap the amount of XP and ressources you can get in a single mission. If the cap is high enough (eg; 70k xp, 1500 crafting mineral), it could in theory reduce harm in case this happens. But an anticheat that prevents it altogether isn't possible.

[JeanneOskoure]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

It's a P2P game, an anti cheat isn't really feasible.

Also, any mod that gives out minerals would be a sandbox mod, and you can't just "slip in" or use that stuff on your main account.

I mean, cheaters can just... Not use mod.io? If you don't use the dedicated mod support, you can bypass all the save restriction system.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

Originally posted by JeanneOskoure:

You can rollback your save in the options. This will put you back at where you were before joining the lobby.
Also, an anticheat would be useless. Unless it is a spyware that has access to every single thing running on your PC, it will always be bypassed. Even then, an anticheat is an arms race. You always need to update it, and cheaters will always find flaws to exploit.
And that's not even counting on the fact there is no way to ban you apart from removing the game from your steam library (which steams only allows on very rare and specific occassions).

Not ever gonna happen, bud.

It's incredible how wrong, yet smug you are. Any game can ban you from playing it on Steam if you violate ToS and it doesn't require removing the game from your steam library to do so. I have no clue where you're getting that idea from. Also, anticheat is an arms race but DRG has sold so many copies that they're making news posts bragging about it and are also making a board game and are also pumping out DLCs. I think they could hire a few dudes to do an anticheat.

It genuinely feels like you're talking out of your ass in a weird attempt to try to sound smart on the internet, Just because you like a game doesn't mean you need to defend it and pretend like it doesn't have flaws, or that the flaws are unfixable.

[CptnSpandex]

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

It's kinda ridiculous you can slip into a modded lobby, even accidentally and get more minerals than you can even know what to do with. Why don't devs actually work on anticheat instead of adding battlepasses and a reskinned bulk detonator?

I gather someone gave you 100 million credits and a but ton of minerals, sucks dont it when that happens, ive been there, that's why i only host now.

[RaindropperinG]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

It's a P2P game, an anti cheat isn't really feasible.

Also, any mod that gives out minerals would be a sandbox mod, and you can't just "slip in" or use that stuff on your main account.

The host you joined was most likely using no mods, but an actual external program, unless you were playing on a Sandbox save, like Chibbity said

The work done by the devs is intended to better manage mods usage in general and making it clearer for players that they are joining a modded lobby, among other things.

With that said, it's still not feasible having literally no one using other programs to cheat; while there are likely few people doing so, it's still possible to stumble upon one.

Now, what you can do is to revert your save to am older one, in order to get rid of the excessive resources that were given to ya. The options to do so is among the in-game ones.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

Originally posted by Chibbity:

It's a P2P game, an anti cheat isn't really feasible.

Also, any mod that gives out minerals would be a sandbox mod, and you can't just "slip in" or use that stuff on your main account.

Uhh, a lot of games are peer 2 peer yet have anticheat..and we're not talking about mods, we're talking about cheats mate...

Not that much difference in such a case.

[Johnno]

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

and are also making a board game.

GSG didn't make the board game, it was done by a board game developer and an entirely different publishing company. It's been made absolutely clear that the development of the board game in no way impacted the development of DRG, financially or on devtime.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

Originally posted by Johnno:

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

and are also making a board game.

GSG didn't make the board game, it was done by a board game developer and an entirely different publishing company. It's been made absolutely clear that the development of the board game in no way impacted the development of DRG, financially or on devtime.

I find it hard to believe they're not getting paid for it at all and they're letting people use their copyright rent-free. But even if true, DRG has made them a boat load of money in just base game and DLC sales. They can afford an anticheat team.

[BubbaLovesYa-TTV]

Originally posted by Fryskar:

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

Uhh, a lot of games are peer 2 peer yet have anticheat..and we're not talking about mods, we're talking about cheats mate...

Not that much difference in such a case.

It's important to make the differentiation because he thinks I'm talking about the DRG official modding support and stating that you can't use mods on your main account. I'm talking about cheaters using mods on their main account.

[Evono]

your save game gets tons of backups just reroll before the game.

encountered 1 cheater since early access

[CptnSpandex]

If you had youre minerals messed with that was not a mod they were using but is actually part of a trainer they used to do it.

[JeanneOskoure]

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

Originally posted by JeanneOskoure:

You can rollback your save in the options. This will put you back at where you were before joining the lobby.
Also, an anticheat would be useless. Unless it is a spyware that has access to every single thing running on your PC, it will always be bypassed. Even then, an anticheat is an arms race. You always need to update it, and cheaters will always find flaws to exploit.
And that's not even counting on the fact there is no way to ban you apart from removing the game from your steam library (which steams only allows on very rare and specific occassions).

Not ever gonna happen, bud.

It's incredible how wrong, yet smug you are. Any game can ban you from playing it on Steam if you violate ToS and it doesn't require removing the game from your steam library to do so. I have no clue where you're getting that idea from. Also, anticheat is an arms race but DRG has sold so many copies that they're making news posts bragging about it and are also making a board game and are also pumping out DLCs. I think they could hire a few dudes to do an anticheat.

It genuinely feels like you're talking out of your ass in a weird attempt to try to sound smart on the internet, Just because you like a game doesn't mean you need to defend it and pretend like it doesn't have flaws, or that the flaws are unfixable.

"If a developer communicates a ban request to Valve, is the offending player banned from launching that game – or from using Steam entirely? And, for how long?The effects of the game ban are determined by the developer, and must be consistent with a VAC ban, such as being prevented from playing online with other players and/or trading items for that game. It cannot prevent the user from launching and playing the game offline. It cannot prevent the user from using Steam."

Now I ask you this: if there is no server to connect to, how do you prevent someone from playing without removing the game from their library?
Did a bit of research, couldn't find any fully P2P game where that happens without the very rare case where steam completely locks the game out of someone's library.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by JeanneOskoure:

Originally posted by BubbaLovesYa-TTV:

It's incredible how wrong, yet smug you are. Any game can ban you from playing it on Steam if you violate ToS and it doesn't require removing the game from your steam library to do so. I have no clue where you're getting that idea from. Also, anticheat is an arms race but DRG has sold so many copies that they're making news posts bragging about it and are also making a board game and are also pumping out DLCs. I think they could hire a few dudes to do an anticheat.

It genuinely feels like you're talking out of your ass in a weird attempt to try to sound smart on the internet, Just because you like a game doesn't mean you need to defend it and pretend like it doesn't have flaws, or that the flaws are unfixable.

"If a developer communicates a ban request to Valve, is the offending player banned from launching that game – or from using Steam entirely? And, for how long?The effects of the game ban are determined by the developer, and must be consistent with a VAC ban, such as being prevented from playing online with other players and/or trading items for that game. It cannot prevent the user from launching and playing the game offline. It cannot prevent the user from using Steam."

Now I ask you this: if there is no server to connect to, how do you prevent someone from playing without removing the game from their library?
Did a bit of research, couldn't find any fully P2P game where that happens without the very rare case where steam completely locks the game out of someone's library.

p2p ban as in rejected by the matchmaking servers.
Or forced SP mode.