Hazard 5 Solo - How?

[ambershee]

Hello!

I've been playing on Hazard 4 for a little while now and can cope with running it solo just fine with any class. Started playing on Hazard 5 and am just getting stomped within minutes of arriving.

The swarms themselves can be hard to deal with, if it arrives when I'm in an awkward space I'm often in trouble - but what's really killing me are the huge amounts of ranged attacks that I also cannot dodge. I can just about kill what's right in front of me, but can't deal with things like a couple of menaces of several spitters at the same time.

How the heck do people play Hazard 5 with each class?

[Dozey]

Escrito originalmente por Lopunny Natalie:

The only advice you truly need for Haz 5 solo is don't play Gunner.

Gunner is in a bad place.

QFT

[King Fossil]

Escrito originalmente por Dozey:

Escrito originalmente por Lopunny Natalie:

The only advice you truly need for Haz 5 solo is don't play Gunner.

Gunner is in a bad place.

QFT

Solo gunner is fine as long as it's not point extraction.

[Syncourt]

I've no issues running gunner on hazard 5 solo. Just takes some skill handling the minigun and a little build tweaking depending on the mission.

[phittte]

A truly experienced player can probably beat haz 5 with a pickaxe as his only weapon. But it's stil true that gunner is the worst class for haz 5 solo and in general. He's slow, has a mediocre damage output compared to driller and engineer and doesn't have anything special that makes him stand out like the scout with his crazy mobility.

He can be fun to play if you like shooting big, loud guns, but let's face it. From an objective pov gunner sucks compared to other classes.

[DD The Pumpkin King]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

A truly experienced player can probably beat haz 5 with a pickaxe as his only weapon. But it's stil true that gunner is the worst class for haz 5 solo and in general. He's slow, has a mediocre damage output compared to driller and engineer and doesn't have anything special that makes him stand out like the scout with his crazy mobility.

He can be fun to play if you like shooting big, loud guns, but let's face it. From an objective pov gunner sucks compared to other classes.

But can they ride a zip line and shoot like an attack helicopter?

[Syncourt]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

But it's stil true that gunner is the worst class for haz 5 solo and in general. He's slow, has a mediocre damage output compared to driller and engineer and doesn't have anything special that makes him stand out like the scout with his crazy mobility.

He can be fun to play if you like shooting big, loud guns, but let's face it. From an objective pov gunner sucks compared to other classes.

I'd take gunner over scout personally and scout is my favourite class to play. The damage output of the minigun can take care of any threat and incendiaries can wipe entire waves of bugs. You can always throw a shield and incendiary at your feet if you get surrounded. The shield keeps you healthy and the fire kills all medium or lesser bugs around you.

One main key to gunner is to know your map and remember where to retreat to for a fight. Luring swarms to tunnels/entrances makes it easier, keeping enemies in your front arc for easy mowing and quick face to face aiming of the minigun, even more so if you have penetrating rounds and hot bullets. Throwing an incendiary as they come through sets them all on fire as they pass through, much the same as drillers toxin although with better DPS.

The only time it ever really gets complicated for gunner is on vertical maps if you run short on ziplines. Gunners mobility is only a problem if you dont prepare yourself with a strategy to avoid having to rely on it.

Scouts great for his evasive abilities but takes forever to delete swarms. If you really need to rely on scouts mobility to survive, you probably arent quite ready for hazard 5 solo yet. Same reason so many greenbeards flock to the scout first class really.

Gunner maybe not as good as driller but driller is pretty OP right now. No arguments he is the best class for any solo mission by a mile with the EPC and Cryo.

[King Fossil]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

A truly experienced player can probably beat haz 5 with a pickaxe as his only weapon. But it's stil true that gunner is the worst class for haz 5 solo and in general. He's slow, has a mediocre damage output compared to driller and engineer and doesn't have anything special that makes him stand out like the scout with his crazy mobility.

His damage is better than engineer since the last hotfix that nerfed turret/buffed minigun.
Seriously, as long as it's not point extraction he's good. Just as good as engineer. Much better than scout.

[Tornado Head]

Escrito originalmente por King Fossil:

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

A truly experienced player can probably beat haz 5 with a pickaxe as his only weapon. But it's stil true that gunner is the worst class for haz 5 solo and in general. He's slow, has a mediocre damage output compared to driller and engineer and doesn't have anything special that makes him stand out like the scout with his crazy mobility.

His damage is better than engineer since the last hotfix that nerfed turret/buffed minigun.
Seriously, as long as it's not point extraction he's good. Just as good as engineer. Much better than scout.

Bet he has never tried to complete a haz 5 game on scout, given what he thinks.
Scout`s awesome in synergy with other DPS classes. Solo he is a joke, you have to put too much effort to complete easiest of haz 5 games.

[phittte]

Escrito originalmente por unknownSoldier:

Escrito originalmente por King Fossil:

His damage is better than engineer since the last hotfix that nerfed turret/buffed minigun.
Seriously, as long as it's not point extraction he's good. Just as good as engineer. Much better than scout.

Bet he has never tried to complete a haz 5 game on scout, given what he thinks.
Scout`s awesome in synergy with other DPS classes. Solo he is a joke, you have to put too much effort to complete easiest of haz 5 games.

You fail to realize that playing scout is about mobility, not about firepower.

You can survive any situation with scout + bosco. On PE you don't even need to do anything anymore now that bosco can dig for aquarq and it's impossible to die with a scout if you keep moving.

During other missions you can quickly hook back to a nice, open room when a wave gets announced, then throw an ifg and let bosco shoot a rocket in the middle of the swarm. The Zhukovs will handle whatever is left easily.

If you really need to rely on scouts mobility to survive, you probably arent quite ready for hazard 5 solo yet. Same reason so many greenbeards flock to the scout first class really.

What kind of argument is this? I rely on what I need to survive, I don't try to be the tough guy who single-handedly kills every enemy with his pickaxe. No one watches me when I play solo, so there is no need for that anyway. You already said yourself that scout needs time to eliminate hordes, so either avoid them (PE) or let bosco do the work for you. No need to say that I've played countless of solo haz 5 games, but I don't really want to start to compare e-peen sizes.

For me it's Driller>Engineer>Scout>Gunner.

[Tornado Head]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

You fail to realize that playing scout is about mobility, not about firepower.

You can survive any situation with scout + bosco. On PE you don't even need to do anything anymore now that bosco can dig for aquarq and it's impossible to die with a scout if you keep moving.

Sure you can survive, but your expected experience of playing in the shooter game changes when you playing scout solo to the 'kiting for survival' game. And your words approved it.
I didn`t ask for any advice, ya can keep it.

[phittte]

Escrito originalmente por unknownSoldier:

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

You fail to realize that playing scout is about mobility, not about firepower.

You can survive any situation with scout + bosco. On PE you don't even need to do anything anymore now that bosco can dig for aquarq and it's impossible to die with a scout if you keep moving.

Sure you can survive, but your expected experience of playing in the shooter game changes when you playing scout solo to the 'kiting for survival' game. And your words approved it.
I didn`t ask for any advice, ya can keep it.

Lol...your 'expected experience'. If you can't bring yourself to use the scout's mobility to your advantage because 'it's a shooter after all' then yeah, gunner is definitely the better choice for you.

[Tornado Head]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

Escrito originalmente por unknownSoldier:

Sure you can survive, but your expected experience of playing in the shooter game changes when you playing scout solo to the 'kiting for survival' game. And your words approved it.
I didn`t ask for any advice, ya can keep it.

Lol...your 'expected experience'. If you can't bring yourself to use the scout's mobility to your advantage because 'it's a shooter after all' then yeah, gunner is definitely the better choice for you.

You can`t adequately react to the OP`s point of view, tho he did say nothing offensive.

[Tornado Head]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

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I don`t think you`re completely wrong, but I don`t understand why do you defend the status quo where AoE classes dominate tho they don`t require as much skill as scout do.
Why there are so many swarmers when I play for scout? Why AR hasn`t been buffed yet, and will it be buffed at all? And generally other enemy types do spawn in the same number as if you were playing for driller. Is this fair?
The current version of the game is not for solo scouts. I have three golden stars, speaking of
@If you can't bring yourself to use the scout's mobility to your advantage@

[King Fossil]

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

During other missions you can quickly hook back to a nice, open room when a wave gets announced, then throw an ifg and let bosco shoot a rocket in the middle of the swarm. The Zhukovs will handle whatever is left easily.

If you can take out most of a swarm with one rocket then I think your game is broken. When I play haz 5 swarms are like a hundred glyphids. You couldn't fit them in one IFG even if they did obediently group together for you.

[phittte]

Escrito originalmente por King Fossil:

Escrito originalmente por phittte:

During other missions you can quickly hook back to a nice, open room when a wave gets announced, then throw an ifg and let bosco shoot a rocket in the middle of the swarm. The Zhukovs will handle whatever is left easily.

If you can take out most of a swarm with one rocket then I think your game is broken. When I play haz 5 swarms are like a hundred glyphids. You couldn't fit them in one IFG even if they did obediently group together for you.

You have two rockets and that's enough to kill about half of a swarm if you lump them together. Bosco shoots all the time as well. It really doesn't take that long to take out a swarm and the Zhukovs are pretty decent weapons when you shoot stuff inside the ifg.

If we talk about no bosco runs, then yes, scout would be by far the worst class. But with bosco?

For PE scout is probably the best class as you basically have to do nothing at all except for moving around with the hook and marking stuff. You can take your time as well as even with max enemies they will never catch you.

Wouldn't play him on solo salvage, so that's a mission type where he definitely sucks solo, was wrong in that regard.

But mining, egg hunt and elimination is no problem with scout and I like him more than gunner there.

EDIT: @unknownSoldier: I agree that AR should be buffed, at least it should have more ammo. Swarmers are no problem in solo as bosco takes care of them very well.