How do I make the Subata useful

[Shadow Wizard Fluffy Gang]

I've been trying some different combos and a couple different overclocks I have to make it useful...but so far no matter what I do, the Subata usually performs ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

What are some builds or overclocks you use to make the Driller's first secondary useful?

[Nosteru]

I personaly use the Oversized Magazine OC with Quickfire Ejector mod on T1 (for balance the weaknes of this OC) then set all other tier (2,3,4) mod to damage. The Tier5 mod depend if I use flamethrower or not. Mactera Toxin coating with sludge pump.
With this setup I can bang-bang-bang bugs without precise aiming. Subata have so much ammo I often run out faster on main weapon 1st.
This setting is for Haz4, I never play on Haz5 as driller.

You can use Homebrew Powder with High Capacity magazine on T1. This setting is quite similar as the above but with an overal +10% damage and more random hits as of the OC.

[Mr. Ape]

The Subata is meant to be an average weapon that gets the job done. Like the gunner, your primary weapon should be the star here. With that said, the best I've gotten out of it is by building it around weakpoint and fire damage (if you run flamethrower).

As for overclocks:

Oversized Magazine (plus 10 magazine size, +0.5 reload) allows you to burst down a praetorian on fire with one clip. The reload time isn't really an hindrance if you run born ready (you'll been cycling between primary and secondary anyways).

Homebrew Powder and Chain Hit are both mediocre. Good to equip if you have nothing else, but doesn't really change the gameplay. Of the two, Chain Hit is better if you can aim (which you should be trying to do with the subata), especially in close quarters with multiple grunts.

Automatic Fire is good if you want to burst down praetorians in close range. It's not really useful if you are already running weakpoint + fire damage, but can help if you aren't. However, it will severely gimp your mid-long range capabilities to the point that it's not worth it. However, if you have carpel tunnel syndrome, this OC is S tier as your median nerve will thank you.

Tranquilizer Rounds is just terrible. Sure, the crowd control (cc) is good, but your primary weapons already have that area covered. The extra cc is redundant. What you need is extra damage, and this OC reduces your DPS. Just bad.

Explosive Reload is controversial. I see many posters mention this OC in their posts. However, I think this OC is not very useful. It's basically a budget version of the Embedded Detonators on the Scout's Nuks. Except, the subata has terrible rate of fire and terrible magazine size. If you add on the addition penalties from Explosive Reload, its just not worth it.
Furthermore, explosive damage ignores damage modifiers from weakpoint or status effects (eg freeze). The only reason the Subata is usable is because of all the damage bonuses the Driller has access to. And you want to sacrifice that and half your ammo / mag size for those explosions (that doesnt even do AOE damage)? No thank you. Though being able to explode high value targets like spitters can be useful, but still not a fan.

These are just my humble opinions after more than 1000 hrs of gameplay. No need to flame if you disagree.

[MrPurple33]

Blerg

The Subata is in my List of Top 5 guns in the game
I WAS going to go off on an epic discourse, Longer than I usually post, about how good the Subata really is .......... but I can't be sinking time into such a crafted and detailed work, just in all Likelihood to have the OPoster and many others just ignore it and go back to
"EPC Mining, Dur"

So here's the "short" version-
Unfortunately, Driller has been somewhat optimized for either a Flamethrower/Subata setup, or a Cryo Cannon/EPC setup, not sure how the new Sludge Pump and the coming secondary will be synced- right now it seems as if the Sludge gets "Lit" easily with the EPC- you CAN swap all the combos around and they will be good, but most of the time FT/Subata, and Cryo/EPC

And I don't Like "Ice/Freeze" weapons, in any game, and the Flamethrower damage and effects in DRG are better than almost any game I've ever played, so I go with the Subata, and despite what it's description says about it being "just an average pistol", it's actually one of the most solid, dependable, and accurate guns in the game

I Love the Subata so much, I got really good with it- really, REALLY good with it
I proudly, and often proclaim myself a Subata Gunslinger
and I bought the Supporter's Edition Long Ago
So I'm a Gold-Plated, Pearl-Handled, Subata Gunslinger
and even have a slogan- 'Bata Is Better ™

1- Don't take the Automatic Fire OC, I also was Looking forward to this, but it makes the accuracy and recoil utter crap- I couldn't even reliable hit Lootbugs anymore with it- strangely Most OCs for the Subata aren't good (TYVM for the consise breakdown of the OCs Mr Ape)- I just went with the Oversized Magazine, and even then tweaked it so I only really got 5 extra rounds instead of 10- my gun has 22 round clips for 220 Ammo (I Like to match numbers if I can) - I'm basically using almost a Stock Subata, and I can kill anything with it- from the smallest Swarmer to a Bulk Detonator

2- Volatile Bullets in conjunction with the Flamethrower, especially Sticky Flames
(any version of Sticky, but I go with the actual Red OC) makes the Subata extra useful, barely Light Up a Prae or anything else, you see the Fire Icon, and the Subata punishes them

3- EPC is also a good gun, but it's two biggest attractions, the Charge Shot and not having to reload, are also it's biggest Flaws- you run out of ammo far faster than you think- The Subata gives solid, reliable damage every time- I seldom ever run Low on ammo Let alone run out- if I get down to 2 clips Left (40 bullets or so) I am shocked

4- I am of the controversial opinion that the Subata is NOT the best Secondary of the Driller, it is, IN FACT- the Best PRIMARY of the Driller- I always have my Subata out at all times, ready to respond, for distance, saving Fuel for the Flamethrower, and because I'm a Crack Shot- once enemies actually get into range, I choose which other option I have at my disposal- Flames, Grenades, C4, Axes if I have them, Pickaxe, or even using the Drills in Combat




And again, this is my "short" version of why the Subata is excellent

So I'll proclaim it again-

I am a Gold-Plated, Pearl-Handled, Subata Gunslinger and

'Bata Is Better ™

[Jack left town]

Originally posted by Mystik Muzik:

What are some builds or overclocks you use to make the Driller's first secondary useful?

Subata's one useful property is extra damage to burning targets. Also the neurotoxin stun OC is pretty good, but you have to make weakpoint hits.

[SCamp]

Originally posted by Jack left town:

Originally posted by Mystik Muzik:

What are some builds or overclocks you use to make the Driller's first secondary useful?

Subata's one useful property is extra damage to burning targets. Also the neurotoxin stun OC is pretty good, but you have to make weakpoint hits.

Tranquilizer Rounds OC doesn't need weakpoint hits.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

And again, this is my "short" version of why the Subata is excellent

So I'll proclaim it again-

I am a Gold-Plated, Pearl-Handled, Subata Gunslinger and

'Bata Is Better ™

+1

[MrPurple33]

Groovy Chibbity- Thanks

[Jack left town]

Originally posted by SCamp:

Tranquilizer Rounds OC doesn't need weakpoint hits.

It doesn't work for me unless I headshot grunts. Only played one game with it.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

Groovy Chibbity- Thanks

Subata-chan is your only waifu.

[Bleydoka]

If there is nobody else who can shoot far away targets i love subata. Otherwise epc for mining and aoe clear.

[Cress]

Useful is a subjective term. Useful as the EPC in combat? You can't. EPC will always be better than Sabata, don't let anyone try to fool you otherwise.

Point and shoot, embedded dets or auto or anything it's still a boring gun... but it's aight in terms of what it does which is mostly just to provide a decent ranged option.

[Dwarfurious]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

I feel like im the only one who runs a max ammo/clip subata with my cryo though; just gives me enough ammo in a clip to nuke a frozen praetorian or clear a lot of grunts.

Heavy hitter plasma is better at that. Less ammo/magsize, but it does 40 damage per shot, so that more than makes up for it. Being able to one shot frozen grunts is crazy.
Also if you go cryo/plasma then you effectively have a stronger version of born ready, without needing to spend a perk slot on it. Pretty cool.

I found it overheated way too fast to be of any use for more than a few enemies

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

'Bata Is Better ™

I say the truth. At the beginning I didnt liked the Driller class. I felt his flamethrower crap, mostly because i soloed on Haz3 where this weapon realy cant shine. Then it had this crap secondary Subata (hold on, now I know I was so wrong).
At the moment Driller is the most played toon overall for me. I started playing Haz4 long ago solo and CRSP with Subata combo became a thing.
I also never liked the Cryo, nor the EPC. I think i played like only around 5% of my driller gameplay with these weapons.
Subata is rock! It is precise even without modding to it, have buttload of ammo without extra mod. You can gunsling shoot very fast with it, realy depend on situation you can shoot as fast or as slow as need. Im using either the Oversized Mag or Homebrew OC with maxed damage.
Subata is for CRSP and for Sludge on my use.

So yeah
'Batah is Betah'

ROCK AND STONE

[Cress]

Originally posted by MrPurple33:

Blerg

The Subata is in my List of Top 5 guns in the game
I WAS going to go off on an epic discourse, Longer than I usually post, about how good the Subata really is .......... but I can't be sinking time into such a crafted and detailed work, just in all Likelihood to have the OPoster and many others just ignore it and go back to
"EPC Mining, Dur"

So here's the "short" version-
Unfortunately, Driller has been somewhat optimized for either a Flamethrower/Subata setup, or a Cryo Cannon/EPC setup, not sure how the new Sludge Pump and the coming secondary will be synced- right now it seems as if the Sludge gets "Lit" easily with the EPC- you CAN swap all the combos around and they will be good, but most of the time FT/Subata, and Cryo/EPC

And I don't Like "Ice/Freeze" weapons, in any game, and the Flamethrower damage and effects in DRG are better than almost any game I've ever played, so I go with the Subata, and despite what it's description says about it being "just an average pistol", it's actually one of the most solid, dependable, and accurate guns in the game

I Love the Subata so much, I got really good with it- really, REALLY good with it
I proudly, and often proclaim myself a Subata Gunslinger
and I bought the Supporter's Edition Long Ago
So I'm a Gold-Plated, Pearl-Handled, Subata Gunslinger
and even have a slogan- 'Bata Is Better ™

1- Don't take the Automatic Fire OC, I also was Looking forward to this, but it makes the accuracy and recoil utter crap- I couldn't even reliable hit Lootbugs anymore with it- strangely Most OCs for the Subata aren't good (TYVM for the consise breakdown of the OCs Mr Ape)- I just went with the Oversized Magazine, and even then tweaked it so I only really got 5 extra rounds instead of 10- my gun has 22 round clips for 220 Ammo (I Like to match numbers if I can) - I'm basically using almost a Stock Subata, and I can kill anything with it- from the smallest Swarmer to a Bulk Detonator

2- Volatile Bullets in conjunction with the Flamethrower, especially Sticky Flames
(any version of Sticky, but I go with the actual Red OC) makes the Subata extra useful, barely Light Up a Prae or anything else, you see the Fire Icon, and the Subata punishes them

3- EPC is also a good gun, but it's two biggest attractions, the Charge Shot and not having to reload, are also it's biggest Flaws- you run out of ammo far faster than you think- The Subata gives solid, reliable damage every time- I seldom ever run Low on ammo Let alone run out- if I get down to 2 clips Left (40 bullets or so) I am shocked

4- I am of the controversial opinion that the Subata is NOT the best Secondary of the Driller, it is, IN FACT- the Best PRIMARY of the Driller- I always have my Subata out at all times, ready to respond, for distance, saving Fuel for the Flamethrower, and because I'm a Crack Shot- once enemies actually get into range, I choose which other option I have at my disposal- Flames, Grenades, C4, Axes if I have them, Pickaxe, or even using the Drills in Combat




And again, this is my "short" version of why the Subata is excellent

So I'll proclaim it again-

I am a Gold-Plated, Pearl-Handled, Subata Gunslinger and

'Bata Is Better ™

1- I agree that auto is very underwhelming and there are better options, but I am no "gunslinger" ;)

2- It's a good combo for sure, and very serviceable. You get better single-target damage, which the flamer is in desperate need of, and this is one of the times I have used the auto OC to some effect.

When you compare it to other options available is when it becomes not so great. I know you said you don't even like cryo and don't want to hear this "cryo + epc tho derp", and that leads me to believe you didn't even give it a fair go, but there's no need to go through all this rigamarole of igniting then running behind just to accomplish something very easily achievable with other builds. That is why cryo > flamer, it is just so brain-numbingly easy to use effectively.

3- EPC runs out fast if you waste it (looking at you EPC miners). While I would always welcome more shots with it, I can balance my primary/secondary usage very well. I'm not going to go into some long rant about how to use the thing, but if you're not killing 4+ enemies with 1 TCF shot (9 ammo unmodded) then you are doing it wrong/being inefficient.

4- I agree that having your secondary out ready to snipe is a good playstyle to adopt, your primary is for when things get nice and personal (right where you want them), but less so with the EPC.

You use drills in combat with the flamethrower...? Uhhhhh... okay then. xD

EPC is better because it scales with enemies. 9 ammo for 5+ kills is pretty good (common), 9 ammo for 20 kills is also very good (rarer). The Sabata does not scale, which makes it inferior when it comes to the bug killing business. It's good better for sniping, which seems to be what you use it for, but EPC is not so useless at that either it just takes some practice to lead your target.

Not that I'm going to change your mind, but I cannot stand for such misinformation being spread about my precious ;)

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

I found it overheated way too fast to be of any use for more than a few enemies

You using thin containment field for the lower heat/shot? Because TCF+the cooling upgrade mean you can get 11 shots before an overheat. That's enough to kill a full hp praet on 4p haz 5 if it's frozen. Or 11 grunts, since it one shots them once they're frozen. Actually more than 11, since you'll cool off a little as you adjust aim between them.
It's just better. The only advantage autopistol has is that aiming is easier, and if you're shooting frozen enemies that doesn't matter.

Originally posted by SKaards:

the subata works great on ice builds too, freeze then swap and finish em in solo

Everything works great (well, not splash damage weapons) with cryo because freeze is overpowered. But autopistol is worse at it than plasma is.