Damn, EPC just can't have rest, huh?

[Night_Sniper]

First it were rants on how OP and teamwork-breaking mining with it was...
Now its whining about epc mining being nerfed from OP to "hey, you have a pickaxe, y'know?"

For Karl's sake, at this point people will only be happy with this thing straight vaporised out of existence.

[Heron]

引用自 dimi：

引用自 Heron：

I'm a big fan of C4 mining, but sadly the EPC nerf did collateral damage to C4 mining. :/

How? I don't see any correlation.

C4 mining makes minerals fly all over the place too now, just like EPC mining.

[Dead PL ayerCZ]

EPC is great, just the mining is the problem

[Deadweight]

引用自 dimi：

If you use the same pool of fuel for both mining the terrain and minerals, then you will be obviously drill fewer tunnels. This change would encourage drillers to aim for minerals even more, which is the exact opposite of what we want imo.

I can't really think of a single time I've thought "wow i'm out of fuel, wish i didn't mine that nitra vein". Driller's got a lot of fuel and not a whole lot to use it for (outside of arena terraforming like salv/elim/event). Having to actually, y'know, drill up the wall and disconnect/mine the vein seems to be enough of a natural dissuasion on a team with other means, and it's more of an effort thing than an ammo cost thing.

[dimi]

引用自 Deadweight：

引用自 dimi：

If you use the same pool of fuel for both mining the terrain and minerals, then you will be obviously drill fewer tunnels. This change would encourage drillers to aim for minerals even more, which is the exact opposite of what we want imo.

I can't really think of a single time I've thought "wow i'm out of fuel, wish i didn't mine that nitra vein". Driller's got a lot of fuel and not a whole lot to use it for (outside of arena terraforming like salv/elim/event). Having to actually, y'know, drill up the wall and disconnect/mine the vein seems to be enough of a natural dissuasion on a team with other means, and it's more of an effort thing than an ammo cost thing.

I don't understand your point, I was responding to this comment, see below. I understood his comment as he wants a way to directly mine minerals faster with the drills, not through destroying terrain, which you can already do. I don't think anybody even mentioned let alone complained about being able to do this with the driller or any other class.

引用自 Heron：

I would just remove EPC mining as a whole (but keep the combat / terraform utility) and make minerals drillable instead.

-> no more FF on ground veins
-> Drillers have a super quick and efficient tool to harvest ground / medium height minerals
-> Scout is no longer unemployed in regards to ceiling minerals
-> everyone is more or less happy (?)

[Deadweight]

引用自 dimi：

I don't understand your point, I was responding to this comment, see below. I understood his comment as he wants a way to directly mine minerals faster with the drills, not through destroying terrain, which you can already do. I don't think anybody even mentioned let alone complained about being able to do this with the driller or any other class.

My mistake, I'm tired. I did see the other post but didn't read it well I guess, completely missed the "make minerals drillable" part. Yeah, drillers breaking minerals shouldn't (and isn't) going to happen.

[Kyle]

I feel like the argument boils down into one side telling the other how they should be playing, and the other side insists their way is better, so they act incredibly rude with it’s implementation.

If people didn’t think the Scout was only good for mining, they would be less offended by someone else freeing minerals from the wall. Hint, you can still collect them faster, especially now that they aren’t a perfect pile.

Driller can and should be able to free stuff from the wall faster, and the Scout is and should be faster at returning them.

However, if all EPC mining users were less rude about blasting stuff already being mined, I wonder if this would even be an issue.

[Professor Hugedix]

引用自 Kyle：

However, if all EPC mining users were less rude about blasting stuff already being mined, I wonder if this would even be an issue.

Realistically, most complaints about tcf mining were actually complaints about jerks who just happened to use tcf. Proper use of tcf mining is kinda like Schrodinger's cat, if it's being observed, then it ceases to be being used properly. The appropriate time to use it is when the scout is two caves away doing scout stuff (getting cave leeched) and the rest of the team is scurrying to pick them up or just wandering around not supporting each other.

When you get a driller who runs ahead of the team to atomize every mineral in sight before anyone else can touch them, nobody is enjoying that mission besides that one entitled giganerd, but those people will still be self-absorbed nuisances after the explosion physics change.

[Kyle]

See, that’s my point. You bring up the concept of an appropriate time to use it, rather than adapting to how else it can be used. That’s insisting on a particular play style.

I’ve been on both the Driller and Scout side of using it cooperatively. Instead of the rhythm of platform, grapple, mine, you have the scout tag minerals, the driller blasts, then you grapple retrieve. It’s satisfying for me, but sadly rare. Most Scouts instantly get their feelings hurt and run ahead, ignoring me pinging minerals for them to quickly grab. Most Drillers will over-position before blasting to collect it themselves.

Again, there is no set way to play the game. Be creative with the tools we’re all given.

[m3freak]

I have played with many rando scouts, usually below 100, that do not get any minerals that are high up or grab anything I ping. I don't know why they play that way, but they do. The change to TCF means getting some minerals will be out of the question.

Even if efficient mining with TCF isn't the primary use of it, the fact remains that it can be used that way. So, if a driller wants to do that, so be it: let the driller do it. It's not like mining minerals in that way is ruining the missions for everyone else.

Ah well. It's weird playing the driller like I used to before I started using TCF. I don't really like the subata, but I think i just need a better build for it.