Bosco Improvement

[Kamikazi Watermelon183]

Normally I play multiplayer so this is not an issue when you have people using diff classes, but there is an annoying problem when playing solo.
Bosco is great but why can you not ask it to collect the secondary objectives?
90% of the time I choose driller and the big problem is the lack of mobility its so damn annoying when you have Fossils or ebonut at the very top of the cave and you can't get at it because of your class.
Please make Bosca able to collect the secondary items if ordered to do so.

[V0lcanF1re]

yeah I heard there a lot of complaints about basco to help in solo secondaries, I say Scout ftw.

also that can be a cool option if the devs decide to upgrade basco for secondaries objectives.

[Scuzz MB]

People have been asking this forever. I'm 100% against it. It's already to the point where Bosco is overpowered in solo play. Give him that 1 more piece of being able to nab secondary objective items and there will be nothing left in solo mode. Everything is reachable with the traversal tools of every class. Any secondaries that are in extremely tough spots can generally be passed up because there's always more than you need.

Let's look at what Bosco can do.

-Mine and bring all carryable primary objective items directly to you: Eggs, Aquarqs, mini-mule legs
-Mine all minerals so all you have to do is pick it up and deposit include compressed gold, bittergem, jadiz
-Dig any tunnel through designated compressed dirt
-Destroy virtually all enemies with no assistance with the exception of maybe Korlock Tyrant Weeds and even those he can do all the work on the sprouts leaving you just to take cover and take care of the core (takes longer, but I've had him do it). Even Bulks, Crassus, Bet-C. If you can just stay away from/out of line of site all you have to do is let Bosco pick them to death. Dreads, admittedly, would be a problem, especially the new ones.
-Build and repair all pipelines in refinery with a click once you've laid the pipes down.
-Finish off frozen enemies for you if you're running a cryo-driller build

Bosco's weaknesses:
-Bad at defending and can't repair the drilldozer
-Can't retrieve most secondary objective items

I'm sure this list is incomplete, but they have to leave SOMETHING for the player to do in solo. In all honesty, he's about the best AI companion for solo play in any game I've ever played.

[Kamikazi Watermelon183]

Um Bosco is not OP maybe in lower hazard setting buts turn it up and he is lacking and I am ok with that, For me he is support on easy sure I can let him do it all but turn up the hazard level and you find yourself in the s**t if you expect him to do it all. His damage output is minimal just constant.
Also yes normally you can find way more than is needed on secondary's but fossils as an example I have quite often found the set amount and never any spare that I can see.
Also all traversal tools being equal IE: can reach all things is a joke.

[Scuzz MB]

Originally posted by Kamikazi Watermelon™:

Um Bosco is not OP maybe in lower hazard setting buts turn it up and he is lacking and I am ok with that, For me he is support on easy sure I can let him do it all but turn up the hazard level and you find yourself in the s**t if you expect him to do it all. His damage output is minimal just constant.
Also yes normally you can find way more than is needed on secondary's but fossils as an example I have quite often found the set amount and never any spare that I can see.
Also all traversal tools being equal IE: can reach all things is a joke.

I solo Haz 5 with Bosco all the time. Everything I described in my post, Bosco has done for me on Haz 5. Give up Bosco's faster digging on his first mod tier in favor of higher damage and he can take down a Bet-C alone in about 90 seconds. Don't take the extended damage and it takes over 2 minutes. Crassus take forever regardless. Bulks you just have to avoid. Korloks take patience. But with everything, it goes quicker when you work WITH bosco

The only class where secondaries sometimes get touchy solo for me is gunner since you can't grab without dropping from the zip, but you can usually carve out a ledge by the item and stand there and get it. You just have to play smart with the zip lines. As far as finding the secondaries, it's no more of a challenge with Bosco than it is playing on a team with no Scout. Every time I struggle to find my last item, I almost always end up spotting at least 1 or 2 more I missed on the way out. I've kept count and literally had missions where I ended up getting 20-30 fossils or boolo caps in solo or team play. I specially remember a 30 fossil haz 4 team mission a while back. Not all are that generous.

I'm not saying that some things aren't more of a challenge with Bosco. But on the whole, Bosco is more valuable than human teammates more often than he's a problem.

As far as Bet-Cs, below is actually when I learned that Bosco makes Bet-Cs easy. That's on Haz 5. I started trying to figure out how to handle the Bet-C. I did a little damage to it, but Bosco was pretty much the man there and in that vid he DID NOT have the damage boost mod on. Watch the Bet-Cs health bars drain before I even pull up a weapon as Bosco digs in.

https://youtu.be/rNJz_eaDz3A

[zverozvero]

Make it as option on some tier and it wont tilt scales. I'd consider it as compelling option only on t4 cause i dont particularly feel for cryo rockets. Put it on different tiers and its a very significant tradeoff.

[DJDiceZ]

I'm with Scuzz. Bosco is too OP and doesn't need to be stronger. Secondaries are just a bonus objective to get a bit more XP. Do it yourself or don't at all. Bosco does too much of what players should be doing in Solo already.

[Professor Hugedix]

If you can't reach the roof as a driller you aren't drilling hard enough. You need to think outside the cave.

[King Fossil]

People who are against Bosco being able to help with secondaries are weird. He's meant to help do what teammates would do in multiplayer. In a multiplayer game you'd tell the scout to get roof fossils. In solo therefore you should be able to tell Bosco to get them instead.
The idea that he's meant to be a teammate replacement for everything except for secondary objectives because they're different for some reason is a strange one.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

People who are against Bosco being able to help with secondaries are weird. He's meant to help do what teammates would

And you also understand that there's limitations that need to be put in place for such a tool? What you gonna defend people suggesting bring Bosco along INTO multiplayer matches next?

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

And you also understand that there's limitations that need to be put in place for such a tool?

Yeah, but they're not necessary here. He's meant to help you with tasks teammates would normally perform. He can fight, just like a dwarf can. He can dig out and carry heavy objects, just like a dwarf can. He can mine minerals, just like a dwarf can. He can revive you, just like a dwarf can. I don't see why he shouldn't be able to get secondaries, just like a dwarf can.
He can help with a bunch of secondary objectives now anyway. Or are you going to go ask the devs to disable his ability to mine dystrum/carry seeds/shoot fleas because noooooo he's not allowed to help, even though his purpose is to help?

[Julius Seizure]

Bosco can already help with secondary objectives if they're not one of the 'flower-picking' kinds, since he's still able to carry heavy objects (Gunk Seeds) and mine out minerals (Dystrum) where appropriate anyway. If it was just more of a hassle to use Bosco rather than another player's help, like him having to directly carry the given item back to the player, it'd be completely in-line with his existing functionality.

[Ser Pounce]

Bosco can do everything for you already that. It's not needed.

[Femboy Thighs]

I wouldn't mind Bosco being able to help with boolo/apoca/fossil secondiares. After all, he can already help with the other forms of secondary missions. But there has to be some limitation to it. Like he has to manually carry each one to you individually like he would with a carry-able object.

At first I was against the idea, but a lot of people want it, and since he can help with every other secondary objective, it only makes sense he should be able to help with all of them.

[Mister Ether]

Originally posted by Kamikazi Watermelon™:

Normally I play multiplayer so this is not an issue when you have people using diff classes, but there is an annoying problem when playing solo.
Bosco is great but why can you not ask it to collect the secondary objectives?

I've played solo about 60% of the time. One of the things the solo game does is forces you to learn how to play whatever class you have better, so you can function independently if you have to during multiplayer. Part of that includes finding a way to get to something when no one else is able to or available to help. If Bosco could retrieve them, it wouldn't just drain the challenge out of solo, you'd actually get worse at multiplayer.

All that said, I know what problem you're talking about and it is a real issue. There are some situations where their placement is ridiculous, either because they're on the ceiling of a massive cavern or they are floating in open space because of an explosion or drop pod landing through them. I have an open suggestion thread where I requested making wall-mounted secondaries fall when dislodged (but still disallow letting Bosco do that or even carry them). Even a Driller could handle a ceiling fossil if it could fall using implosion mining, which is a really useful skill to practice in solo mode.