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Penhad Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:02am
Big Bertha AC VS Lead Storm MG
Any upside to Big Bertha compared to Lead Storm ?
They're both the extreme single target version of their weapons, but for that purpose Big Bertha feels very weak in comparison. Sure it retains some mobility and aoe, so i suppose it is a lil bit more versatile, but that's nothing that can't be overcome with MG through bunny hopping or ziplines and aoe Bulldog (or even just spraying near instant death to anything small).

So, thoughts ?
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Mage Hand, Wizard Brand Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:18am 
It's just a personal preference tbh. For me the Autocannon is easier to be ammo efficient with (since you two shot grunts with the right build and can hit weakspots). It's certainly not in any way weaker, since Lead Storm with a (31322) build will deal a base of about 20k+ bse damage, and if we add 1 penetration in, that's 40k+. Big Bertha with a (31311) build is gonna deal about 20k+ base damage, but since it has the AoE damage, the number goes up to (let's give it a generous it hits 2 other enemies with it, since that's common in swarms) it will deal about 35k+ base damage. That's without the 20% damage increase to direct and AoE damage on max RoF (which it hits faster due to it being lower from the OC), which would even out the difference beteween the two.
Lead Storm has more DPS due to fast RoF, Big Bertha just has big on-hit damage. They perform about the same with similar builds, and as I said, it's just down to preference. I like the feel of the autocannon over the minigun, and It's also fun to just instantly two shot regular enemies with my build.
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Fryskar Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:24am 
Both are pretty equal in terms of total dmg. BB has a tiny adventage is specced for total before factoring in multi hit or fire.

BB can fire longer straight (unconditionall) than LS.

LS wins the dps race.

BB got better aoe.

Well thats about it.
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Kimika's Magical Space Cow Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by Fryskar:
LS wins the dps race.
Doesn't BB has more dps than LS?
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Fryskar Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:34am 
Originally posted by Laifulessone:
Originally posted by Fryskar:
LS wins the dps race.
Doesn't BB has more dps than LS?
Not by a long shot.
BB tops at 202 dps, LS 312.

Burst BB AC with ABAXA, LS LS BBXBC.
Sustain BB CXCXA, LS XAXBC
Last edited by Fryskar; Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:42am
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Kimika's Magical Space Cow Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:40am 
Originally posted by Fryskar:
Originally posted by Laifulessone:
Doesn't BB has more dps than LS?
Not by a long shot.
BB tops at 202 dps, LS 312.
Huh, according to meatshiled's calculator BB has 245 on weakpoints and LS sits at 185. Don't know what to believe.
Last edited by Kimika's Magical Space Cow; Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:44am
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Fryskar Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by Laifulessone:
Originally posted by Fryskar:
Not by a long shot.
BB tops at 202 dps, LS 312.
Huh, accotding to meatshiled's calculator BB has 245 on weakpoints and LS sits at 185. Don't know what to believe.
Added builds, weakpoints don't matter as both got no boosts. So you can slap a x dmg on your self on it after.
Im using https://karl.gg/build

Baseline LS is already 150 dps.
Last edited by Fryskar; Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:47am
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Mage Hand, Wizard Brand Feb 6, 2021 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by Fryskar:
Originally posted by Laifulessone:
Huh, accotding to meatshiled's calculator BB has 245 on weakpoints and LS sits at 185. Don't know what to believe.
Added builds, weakpoints don't matter as both got no boosts. So you can slap a x dmg on your self on it after.
Im using https://karl.gg/build

Baseline LS is already 150 dps.
Okay, bit confused here, what do you mean weakspots don't matter as both get no boosts? Do you mean that both don't have additional weakspot mult mods, or that they don't get weakspot bonus damage? Because i assure you Autocannon alongisde Big Bertha gets weakspot damage bonuses on its direct damage (otherwise with a 30 direct damage and 9 AoE damage I wouldn't be able to two shot a glyphid on any hazard), as without the weakspot multiplier pushing the damage to 60 direct and 9 AoE, resulting in 138 damage in 2 shots as opposed to 78 without it (which isn't even enough to one shot a grunt on haz 1 if I'm not wrong, as they have a base of 100 ish HP). Can't attest for the minigun, but the reason you don't see weakspot multipliers on the Autocannon page is because it's filled with other damage information that takes up space, not to mention weakspot bonuses only become relevant when you're using BB as it actually hits for a significant amount to be noticeable (not ot mention you NEED to hit weakspots with it to deal consistent damage, as opposed to regular AC where you just shoot at crowds)
Last edited by Mage Hand, Wizard Brand; Feb 6, 2021 @ 8:03am
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RainingMetal Feb 6, 2021 @ 8:33am 
Count me part of the Lead Storm party. I let the Driller and Engineer take care of the hordes, so I focus more on priority targets with the MInigun.
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Penhad Feb 6, 2021 @ 8:40am 
Some of you guys got very technical, but I hear the points made. I guess i just really prefer LS for single target dmg. Will keep messing around with BB though, hope I can improve the feels.
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Stefanonimo Feb 6, 2021 @ 8:50am 
Big Bertha = Reload Simulator

No thanks, Lead Storm all the way.
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Penhad Feb 6, 2021 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by Stefanonimo:
Big Bertha = Reload Simulator

No thanks, Lead Storm all the way.

yeah that's something too, but it's not that bad. I just use Born ready, so I switch to secondary until BB is reloaded.
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Frisky Feb 6, 2021 @ 9:29am 
personally i just can't get a feel for big bertha much when i run AC i like to do splintering shells or neurotoxin payload bertha just doesn't really do it for me when i want high single target DPS i prefer minigun with lead storm OC
even with born ready i just don't really enjoy BB much and kind of feel more like a revolver class that holds a cannon secondary
most likely just not for me really, heard BB is really strong and i do see what makes it good i just can't really play around it well myself
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R.- Feb 6, 2021 @ 10:13am 
Has anyone tried fighting the new dreadnoughts with Lead Storm?

I'm still taking my time to find a reliable gunner loadout for Elimination missions. Had a BB build in mind, but haven't tested it yet.
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Mage Hand, Wizard Brand Feb 6, 2021 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by R.-:
Has anyone tried fighting the new dreadnoughts with Lead Storm?

I'm still taking my time to find a reliable gunner loadout for Elimination missions. Had a BB build in mind, but haven't tested it yet.
It's alright, just need to use more ammo on average than you used to, so if yer ain't careful it is easy to just run dry quickly
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S0ckpuppet Feb 6, 2021 @ 10:16am 
- Big Bertha forces you to choose having a smaller mag or less overall ammo. The firerate can be painfully slow depending on how you upgrade it.
- Lead Storm immobilises you and removes the minigun's stun.

Both do a lot of damage, but at longer ranges the autocannon becomes less effective at hitting weak points even with bonuses to its accuracy.
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