Any way to "PG" the Dwarves' voices?

[Phoenix7786]

This is a game I would love to show to my nieces, given the game's unique visuals and aesthetics. A lot of the charm has to do with the dwarves and their various lines.

However, the dwarves do cuss on occasion. I don't want to completely mute their voices, since again their dialogue is part of the charm.

Any chance of any options to block their cussing or would my only recourse be to completely mute the voices?

I'd also be showing them the game solo so they have Bosco present.

[milkywaygalaxyyyy]

Games for kids exist for a reason

[Chibbity]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Femboy Thighs:

I think the real debate that should be had is whether such a feature is worth the devs' time. I'm on the side that it's not. Any sensible parent would see the age rating and simply not buy/play the game around their kids. Forcing devs to go out of their way to add an option to T-rated games to make them palatable for babies would only force them to set higher prices on their games - and for what, a few parents who can't do their jobs? Not worth it imo.

This^

Maybe it could be done someday far, far down the road; when there is literally nothing more worthwhile to add to the game.

[Neithan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Revalopod:

drg is hardly a mature game. it's barely worse than Fortnite. at least you aren't killing people. it's just bugs and green blood. the swearing is the only thing "mature" about it. an option to disable it would make it suitable for young children.

So the drinking is ok? (especially as it is shown as something beneficial)
Killing off bugs with lots of splatter effects is ok? (green blood is still blood)
Setting stuff on fire and have it burn to death is ok? (like, wait till kids try this with a pet)
Running around in caves with enemies jumping on you from anywhere while you are in total darkness is ok? (sounds like perfect nightmare-material for young kids to me)

Now, I think that DRG is quite suitable for kids (of a certain age, depending on how good they cope with stuff like this, maybe 10+), but that also requires you (as a parent or guiding person) to actually engage the kids and talk about stuff. As already said, you cannot safe them from stuff like this forever, the more you try, the more it might have a (damaging) impact on them when they finally are exposed to it. Srsly, in elementary school, heck even in kindergarten, children are most likely exposed to worse language than here in DRG.

Parents or an overseer in general should be either trying to avoid problematic media in general, or take the time and effort to guide the children through it.

Srsly, I am just weary of all those bored soccer moms and SJW that try to spoil it for everyone (granted, an OPTION to mute the swears is not totally spoiling), just because they cannot be arsed to actually take an effort to supervise their children correctly. Like how I was completely baffled and outraged when I heard that in the U.S. they actually censored "The last Unicorn" because some mom thought it was fine to let her little child watch this movie, then got angry when she heard a character swear (a couple of "damn"s, one "hell" iirc), and started a campaign that ended in the movie getting censored for those swear words. Only, the fact that the movie (btw. one of my favourite animated movies of all time) does have highly terrifying passages that are perfect fuel for any childrens nightmare, was of no matter whatsoever, it was all just about the use of "profanity"...

Guess there is really some issue in the american way of rating stuff (at least/especially with the religious nutjobs), like no problem with violence, but god beware there is a single nipple shown, or someone does even mildly swear..

[Aimee]

As much as i would love for you to be able to play a mutual game with your nieces.
DRG is by no way a child friendly game, even if you take out the cursing.

- The gameplay is too fast (children have a much slower reaction time than adults)
In general shooting games dont work for kids.
- Although the enemies are not human, there is too much violence for children.
- The caves are too dark
- Even though for adults the biomes seem fine, for children some will be a thing of nightmares (Hollow Bough/ Magma Core)
- Children dont have a long attention span, so the upgrade paths of weapons and the number of choices and options throughout this game are not suited for them.

It would be realy dificult to play this game in a way that is children friendly.

[Browen]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xystem4:

Wow, the replies on this thread are kinda disgusting. "Wow, someone wants to show this game to a child, what an awful person!".

It's a very common thing for games to have an option to turn of swearing, and it's trivial to implement. If the dwarves swearing doesn't bother you, great. Is there a reason to gatekeep from people who don't like cussing though? It's not like anybody is asking for the base game to be altered.

lol, please provide top 10 games with that feature if it's that common

Also, maybe if the game has a certain age rating, you shouldn't really show it to a child in a first place?
What, should we censor GTA V because someone wants to show it to a kid?

Hundreds of games provide optional censoring for gore and vulgarity. The fact that the dwarves occasionally swear is not so foundational to DRG that giving the option to turn it off would change the game fundamentally. A PG GTA is an inherently different game, this is not. Every comparison you've made in this thread has been incredibly disingenuous, and bad faith.

It's not some enormous affront to you for someone to mention that they would enjoy the option to censor the game's dialogue, for their own use. You can prefer to not use such a feature, or think that it's not worth the developers' time to implement, but what you're doing now is just being argumentative to be argumentative.

[The Loan Ranger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Chibbity:

Bottom line is, video games are art; and we don't censor art.

Damn straight.

[Dr. Albert Meowsker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xystem4:

Hundreds of games provide optional censoring for gore and vulgarity. The fact that the dwarves occasionally swear is not so foundational to DRG that giving the option to turn it off would change the game fundamentally. A PG GTA is an inherently different game, this is not. Every comparison you've made in this thread has been incredibly disingenuous, and bad faith.

It's not some enormous affront to you for someone to mention that they would enjoy the option to censor the game's dialogue, for their own use. You can prefer to not use such a feature, or think that it's not worth the developers' time to implement, but what you're doing now is just being argumentative to be argumentative.

Please, please, tell me what are these "hundreds"? Give me at least 10, that's everything I ask. I have 250+ games in my library and I can remember only Serious Sam having a function to make blood green or turn it off, and apparently Gears of War as someone pointed out here.

Most of all I hate, when someone's forced to change their product because of some sensitive group. As I said, devs wanted them to sound like that and they've done it that way. There's nothing more to discuss. If devs wanted to make this game for kids, they would've done it right from the beginning.

Also, dude stated his opinion, that he wants that feature and I state my opinion, that this feature is useless as this game has already got its age rating and to top it off, it's not like there's F-bombs and B-words everywhere in this game. I hardly even hear any cussing at all.

[Dr. Albert Meowsker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

And later on I gave an example with gore, which IS covered by PEGI/ESRB ratings. My point is that aspects of a video game can be toggled on and off without impacting the overall experience or breaking the bank.

And still it's up to devs to decide which aspect is reasonable to toggle.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

This is not true. I own a cut of The Eraser on VHS which is edited down fairly drastically for violence. Particularly memorable is a scene where Arnie pulls the pinks off a guy's grenade vest and kicks him into an elevator wtih a few other men. The theatrical cut has a scene of the elevator exploding, shooting chunks of people out at the camera. The VHS cut I have cuts directly from Arnie kicking the guy to Arnie walking down a hallway from the follow-up scene. They literally edited out a gore scene for a lower rating.
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Most notably, a "Snider Cut" of Justice League was released because audiences were convinced that his would be better. Actually, on the subject of "you can't change art just because you don't like it" - try and explain why it's OK for audiences to insist that Joss Whedon's original cut of Justice League had to be recut to be made "better?" I know this wasn't your argument, but I just figured it was relevant.

I didn't know about these VHS cuts, some interesting info.

I don't find Snyder Cut somewhat relateable. Here we're talking about a huge group that wanted to see his version of a movie from the beginning and were upset because they didn't get it at first.
Plus, it should've been originally directed by Snyder after all, so it's more like Whedon's version which tried to change the art of Snyder in the first place.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

Igonring the "one and a half people" comment which I'm pretty sure is drastically underestimating the amount of people who'd use a "less profanity" option...

My answer to all of the above is pretty much what you'd think - I don't know. I'm not a developer on DRG, I don't have inside information. I can make an educated guess and tell you with a fair amount of certainty that no - it's not that complicated. But it is SOME amount of work.
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Unless you have some worry that the OP's argument could convince them - in which case it has merit - then no harm can come of letting the proposal sit. WE don't get to decide what goes in the game and what doesn't.

As I said earlier, I'm pretty sure design team have thought already about what kind of game should it be and for what audience. They've decided to make it certain way.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

Why not? What's the harm? The developers appeal to streamers, even though the game "isn't inteded" for them. Do you have an issue with the idea of appealing to people outside the game's perceived "demographic?" I only ask, because that's what it sounds like. If so, I'd like to hear a more compelling reason for it than "wasting time." Any attempt to appeal to a broader audience is a calculation between cost and value. I personally see the cost of a "no profanity" as fairly minor relative to the also not substantial benefit.

IMO, streamers at least provide some benefits in a form of free advertising. That's why most devs appeal to them.
But a censoring function doesn't really sound that good to be worth advertising. And if kids are not their target audience in the first place, not like they should worry about gaining or losing them.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

I addressed this above, but still want to point something out: The question of "should they" isn't really relevant here. They already do.
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Subsequent movie recuts don't "replace" the cuts already available. What shows in cinemas may be important to the box office bean counters, but what's available on home video and syndicated television is what the audience will actually watch long-term.

Well, I can agree movies aren't that comparable to a game, but they illustrate the whole situation in general.
I'm pretty sure there's a lot of thinking during development about which audience devs will be targeting, just like in movies. And if they chose that option, then they consider other groups not that relevant.

[livinghell]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aimee (CrossFire):

As much as i would love for you to be able to play a mutual game with your nieces.
DRG is by no way a child friendly game, even if you take out the cursing.

- The gameplay is too fast (children have a much slower reaction time than adults)
In general shooting games dont work for kids.
- Although the enemies are not human, there is too much violence for children.
- The caves are too dark
- Even though for adults the biomes seem fine, for children some will be a thing of nightmares (Hollow Bough/ Magma Core)
- Children dont have a long attention span, so the upgrade paths of weapons and the number of choices and options throughout this game are not suited for them.

It would be realy dificult to play this game in a way that is children friendly.

TRUE. This game might look colourful and friendly like typical game for children, but the core gameplay, class coop and needed strategies will make it look for children more like GTFO looks for standard adult FPS players.
They will have no fun over long time.

[Herr Morlock]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dead PL ayerCZ:

I never get how is swearing the problem in games with gunplay and targets to shoot nowadays. Dont get me wrong, DRG is not in any way a brutal game. Swearing? A bit (maybe a way too little to my taste) Gore? you can cause glyphids heads to explode, splatter the floor with their blood, view torn off glyphid limbs, crush them with ammo pods, but nah swearing is the problem :D. If the kids too young for a few swear words, how is it old enough to splatter, crush, burn and deform enemies?

+1

[GIRL]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dead PL ayerCZ:

I never get how is swearing the problem in games with gunplay and targets to shoot nowadays. Dont get me wrong, DRG is not in any way a brutal game. Swearing? A bit (maybe a way too little to my taste) Gore? you can cause glyphids heads to explode, splatter the floor with their blood, view torn off glyphid limbs, crush them with ammo pods, but nah swearing is the problem :D. If the kids too young for a few swear words, how is it old enough to splatter, crush, burn and deform enemies?

The funniest part is how this is almost a uniquely American issue.

Most other countries are okay with profane language, and even nudity, in movies/games meant for younger audiences. Because they're aware that kids are exposed to it anyways, so why waste time and resources censoring it?

Meanwhile other countries tend to censor guns and violence more often. Looking at a country's movies and video game censorship guidelines is a fascinating way to get an idea of where a country's priorities are. America, of course, has no problem showing military soldiers massacring civilians with heavy machine gun fire to 10 year olds.

But God forbid someone says a curse word or slips a nip on-screen. It just goes to show how deeply rooted America's twisted view of classical Christian theology is. But now I'm just getting off-topic.

[that guy who was unnamed]

Phoenix7786, all opinions aside, with mod support coming soon, I'm sure there will be a way to block any cursing. How easy that mod would be to make is not remotely my specialty.

[Titanium Jesus]

If the dwarves in this game are too much for someone then they need to develop some thicker skin. Enough with the cancel and censorship culture.

And I guarantee that if you nieces are past grade 2 they hear far worse at school every day.

[Define Brackish Water]

I really agree. I have a younger relative I'd like to give this game. He's old enough to handle the curse words but I know his family would disapprove. Plus I'd just feel better about getting him the game. Having an option to simply mute the line or the word in the line would be great.

The drinking isn't handled in a way that concerns me. It's not something that I'd endorse but it's easily a behavior that the kid can deal with separate from the game. Going in drunk is actually fun for a rare joke! The swearing though could rub off on them and it'd be nice to have some option from there.

Does anyone know where the voice lines are stored in the game? Are they in files I could mess with? I could mix something and upload it to Nexus Mods real easy if the files were in a format I could easily access, edit, and save to.

Edit: Hmm. I forgot about the bug gore. There's a some of that on the weakpoints for some enemies. Fine for a teen though.

[Browen]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xystem4:

Hundreds of games provide optional censoring for gore and vulgarity. The fact that the dwarves occasionally swear is not so foundational to DRG that giving the option to turn it off would change the game fundamentally. A PG GTA is an inherently different game, this is not. Every comparison you've made in this thread has been incredibly disingenuous, and bad faith.

It's not some enormous affront to you for someone to mention that they would enjoy the option to censor the game's dialogue, for their own use. You can prefer to not use such a feature, or think that it's not worth the developers' time to implement, but what you're doing now is just being argumentative to be argumentative.

Please, please, tell me what are these "hundreds"? Give me at least 10, that's everything I ask. I have 250+ games in my library and I can remember only Serious Sam having a function to make blood green or turn it off, and apparently Gears of War as someone pointed out here.

Most of all I hate, when someone's forced to change their product because of some sensitive group. As I said, devs wanted them to sound like that and they've done it that way. There's nothing more to discuss. If devs wanted to make this game for kids, they would've done it right from the beginning.

Also, dude stated his opinion, that he wants that feature and I state my opinion, that this feature is useless as this game has already got its age rating and to top it off, it's not like there's F-bombs and B-words everywhere in this game. I hardly even hear any cussing at all.

Hotline Miami, Assassin's Creed series, Call of Duty series, Watch Dogs series, Valorant, Ghost of Tsushima, Bad North, Arma series, Borderlands series, Bioshock series. Shall I continue? Some people simply don't enjoy seeing gore, graphic sexual scenes, or hearing profanity when they play. Many, many modern games take this into account. Personally, I'm fine with the profanity in DRG. But if I was showing it to a younger family member, yeah I'd probably turn it off if there was an option.

The big thing I don't get about so many responses here is the "forcing the devs to change their product" thing. Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything. Nobody's censoring anything. Having an option to make a game slightly less graphic, that only gets turned on if you take the time to turn it on, isn't hurting anyone or ruining anyone's vision of the game.