Please bring back proper EPC mining.

[IceIceBergy]

I did notice that when playing lvl 5 missions, nobody wants to be the driller, for a good reason, you cant epc mining anymore because after the nerf you will louse 90% of the material depending where the vein is ( because ore will fly arround in high speed, most of they even glithing out of the map ).

Also, driller is already an non welcome class by default if the player dont know how to play ( it seems to atract the worse type of players for some reason ), in my sessions I had to kick out from the team 6 times, all of they the noob was drillers, for diferent reasons, friendly fire, because he thinks he needs to make pipes or holes and destroy pipes other players was building etc, freazing other players by porpose, destroying other drillers holes, etc, etc, etc, its already an class that is not welcome, hurting the epc mining is just getting it worse. As it stand today, its better to have an additional gunner in the team then a driller.

I know it was discussed before, but I think devs really needs to listen to this and undo this change, roolback it into when ores just fall in one place when epc mining. If it makes the mod too op, then remove the mod, eather make it allways enabled, or replace as an overclock, just dont remove the funcionality that is fundamental to make driller an necessary add to the team.

[BezaoBuilder]

引用自 IceIceBergy：

just dont remove the funcionality that is fundamental to make driller an necessary add to the team.

No class should be a necessary add to the team.

[Ittrix]

引用自 NeloDante：

引用自 Action Gooseman：

They're one and the same. The minerals have to stick to something or else they would hypothetically float in the air. Or in the game, it would simple detach itself into a neat little pile just like the old version did.

They are not the same. Currently you can obtain a chunk of a mineral without detaching the dirt around it.

What Ittrix means is that, for EPC to mine as he desires, it would require more than one charged shot, making sure that the entire mineral vein is floating and thus will drop.
Making it harder to mine resources, require more ammo but still having the possibility of doing so at a higher cost and still letting players destroy terrain like a geyser.

Yep in a nutshell.
Drills can not directly mine minerals. They can mine the ground around it though, which is fine because it still takes awhile.
You'd likely need 2-3 *very* well placed EPC shots to mine everything around it. Only useful in dire situations, as it should be.

[marcusaddamsson]

Oh. Wow. I'd totally LURV that. The EPC/TCF crowd would be absolutely enraged tho.

Subata 4 Life, baby!

[CHAO$$$]

引用自 JeanneOskoure：

TCF should never have mined minerals in the first place.

period

Its a mechanic that undermines the core gameplay. It should be entirely deleted.

[Ittrix]

引用自 marcusaddamsson：

Oh. Wow. I'd totally LURV that. The EPC/TCF crowd would be absolutely enraged tho.

Subata 4 Life, baby!

I mean tbh I'm a driller main and I use EPC and TCF too.
I still want it removed. It should not be a thing.

[Luminiche]

When I see "EPC mining" somewhere in the thread, I can be sure the rest of the thread will be filled with class shaming, people shaming, and probably will be a very good salt mine...

No matter what solution is introduced to EPC, it is impossible to please everyone.
Hovewer i think that the state it is now is the best compromis. Maybe reduce enviromental destruction zone (not the dmg one) and make hitbox for projectile a little smaller.
So driller will need to fire several shoots to mine a full ore and the EPC will still be usefull in combat.
It will also allow for its utility like destroing hazardous objects and dropping downed scouts from platforms.
Fighting with implosions is just so fun I can't live without it.

[Kyle]

It needs to be an OC to balance it out, because it does need a lot less ammo once you start using it as a tool. It’s going to lead to more complaint threads about how OCs are handed out, but oh well.

I don’t think it should be removed though. It’s best to let people play how they want.
There is no one correct way to play the game. There are many ways to reach success. If you dislike how people are using it, bring it up with them in a polite way. It will get everyone further than angry rants.

The problem is that it’s hard to compromise when something is this divisive.

[IceIceBergy]

Hummm... funy how nobody agrees with me here... All right, I guess I will continue to see deep dives missing drillers every game.

[Chibbity]

Uhh..no.

Driller doesn't, and never has needed the EPC to be good. With or without the mining.

#SUBATAGANGUNITE

[IceIceBergy]

Also, somebody argues that minerals dont desapers with the current state, I can garantee it does, its embebed in any game mechanics that if you move objects fast enought the phisics system will not detect colisions, so please who said that shut up. In my opinion if nobody likes Epc mining then it should be removed from the game, the current state is useless.

[Aimee]

One thing to keep in mind is that the EPC mining, was unintended by the developers.
The only reason why its still in the game, is becouse there are people who like it.

In the end this is a game, and games are suppose to be fun... for everyone playing.

[Kitsune Dzelda]

I dont see any problems with being a Driller with a Plasma gun, OP. I do just fine. In fact I love the class and buildout and I dont really even care or know much about the mining aspect of the gun. ^^

Why dont you become one, if you hate the cheese so much? Embrace the cheese. Cheese is delicious. Wont get to enjoy good cheese forever yknow.

[Derpykat5]

引用自 IceIceBergy：

Hummm... funy how nobody agrees with me here... All right, I guess I will continue to see deep dives missing drillers every game.

I see one elite dive lobby that's missing a driller right now. Most of the normal dives are missing drillers, but most of the normal dives are just engi-scout duos.

[Fryskar]

引用自 IceIceBergy：

Hummm... funy how nobody agrees with me here... All right, I guess I will continue to see deep dives missing drillers every game.

引用自 IceIceBergy：

Also, somebody argues that minerals dont desapers with the current state, I can garantee it does, its embebed in any game mechanics that if you move objects fast enought the phisics system will not detect colisions, so please who said that shut up. In my opinion if nobody likes Epc mining then it should be removed from the game, the current state is useless.

You're free to keep your opinions.
As wrong as they may be.

[Kitsune Dzelda]

引用自 derpykat5：

I see one elite dive lobby that's missing a driller right now. Most of the normal dives are missing drillers, but most of the normal dives are just engi-scout duos.

Yknow, I really ought to go to hell one of these days. Join a Haz 4 or 5 and get utterly murdered just for the fun of it. I hear its fun.