low level hazard 4 players

[Mahefaloo]

I have played this game on and off since it first launched in early access, jumping on to check out updates and have a few games. Its only been recently i have started playing it properly and playing it a lot more.

Up until about rank 70 i played hazard 3 which i found fun and not too hard which was perfect since i was only ever playing the game a wee bit at a time.

I now play hazard 4 only since im used to the game a lot more and want more of challenge.

My only issue with this is that im finding so many low level players on hazard 4. Overall low rank, or low rank classes who just go down constantly, dont play to their class or ignore events and secondary objectives.

Is this something others are having issues with? is this what hazard 4 has always been like or am i just having bad luck with the games i join?

[gungadin22000]

It's occurring, but it's hardly an issue at haz4, which is still fairly easy once you play the game for a bit. For an experienced player at haz4, the main challenge is indeed in carrying the greenbeards.

Plus, I've teamed with some exceptional greenbeards in my 360+ levels of gameplay.

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

haz 4 has been a wasteland ever since the game left early access. it's the hardest difficulty that new players can access out of the box, and as a result it is a magnet for overconfident greenbeards with no idea of what they're doing
honestly, haz 5 is actually easier than having to carry a bunch of low levels on haz 4 who just die constantly

haz 5 is locked behind an assignment which (i believe) requires a minimum level cap before you can start it. you're best off either just making the jump to haz 5 (which really isnt that much harder than haz 4) or hosting your own lobby and booting out anyone who isn't promoted

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Originally posted by Mahefaloo:

Is this something others are having issues with?

yes, I play only haz 4 and most of my mates are low levels like 1-40, a lot of them are clearly not ready for haz 4,

I agree it's a bit tiring, I don't mind helping new players but not 100% of the time, I think host need to be able to level lock, like level 50+ you know the player will have at least few upgrades for the weapons....( and know the basics)

[RUCKUS RELOADED]

Originally posted by Hartigan:

I agree it's a bit tiring, I don't mind helping new players but not 100% of the time, I think host need to be able to level lock, like level 50+ you know the player will have at least few upgrades for the weapons....

i've been saying this for months now, the game needs something like promotion lock or a minimum level cap as an option for hosts creating their own lobbies
greenbeards stumbling into high hazard lobbies and getting booted out for their lack of experience will hurt them a lot more than simply not being able to join those lobbies in the first place
you could even turn the system on its head and add a maximum level cap if you don't want to deal with level 200 turbosweats like me joining your lobby and practically playing the game for you

of course every time i mention this, i get half a dozen bleeding hearts responding about stuff like gatekeeping(!) or elitism(!!!) when it doesn't even apply. it would only be "gatekeeping" if the game had a playerbase in the hundreds. there are plenty of lobbies to go around for the rookies, drg has thousands of players at any time. the amount of locked lobbies would pale in comparison to unlocked ones.

it would just benefit everybody if level caps were added - veterans and greenbeards alike would get to play with others of their own skill level. everyone is satisified

[Chibbity]

I personally don't raise an eyebrow at Haz4 unless they are sub blue level 20, and even then I'll give them the chance to prove themselves.

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Originally posted by kestrel:

Originally posted by Hartigan:

I agree it's a bit tiring, I don't mind helping new players but not 100% of the time, I think host need to be able to level lock, like level 50+ you know the player will have at least few upgrades for the weapons....

i've been saying this for months now, the game needs something like promotion lock or a minimum level cap as an option for hosts creating their own lobbies
greenbeards stumbling into high hazard lobbies and getting booted out for their lack of experience will hurt them a lot more than simply not being able to join those lobbies in the first place
you could even turn the system on its head and add a maximum level cap if you don't want to deal with level 200 turbosweats like me joining your lobby and practically playing the game for you

of course every time i mention this, i get half a dozen bleeding hearts responding about stuff like gatekeeping(!) or elitism(!!!) when it doesn't even apply. it would only be "gatekeeping" if the game had a playerbase in the hundreds. there are plenty of lobbies to go around for the rookies, drg has thousands of players at any time. the amount of locked lobbies would pale in comparison to unlocked ones.

it would just benefit everybody if level caps were added - veterans and greenbeards alike would get to play with others of their own skill level. everyone is satisified

yeah agreed

[Mahefaloo]

Originally posted by kestrel:

Originally posted by Hartigan:

I agree it's a bit tiring, I don't mind helping new players but not 100% of the time, I think host need to be able to level lock, like level 50+ you know the player will have at least few upgrades for the weapons....

i've been saying this for months now, the game needs something like promotion lock or a minimum level cap as an option for hosts creating their own lobbies
greenbeards stumbling into high hazard lobbies and getting booted out for their lack of experience will hurt them a lot more than simply not being able to join those lobbies in the first place
you could even turn the system on its head and add a maximum level cap if you don't want to deal with level 200 turbosweats like me joining your lobby and practically playing the game for you

of course every time i mention this, i get half a dozen bleeding hearts responding about stuff like gatekeeping(!) or elitism(!!!) when it doesn't even apply. it would only be "gatekeeping" if the game had a playerbase in the hundreds. there are plenty of lobbies to go around for the rookies, drg has thousands of players at any time. the amount of locked lobbies would pale in comparison to unlocked ones.

it would just benefit everybody if level caps were added - veterans and greenbeards alike would get to play with others of their own skill level. everyone is satisified

yeah a level filter would be decent so you know your playing with people within your rank level, benefits both sides of it with new players or like you said high ranked players just dominating the game.

[PhellAsleep]

As someone who just bought the game yesterday, most new players are likely just trying to get their assignments done and not experienced enough to play solo. We're not looking for your haz 4 mission. Rather, your haz 4 mission is the ONLY ONE showing up in the server list.

The game is great, but the population is a bit lacking, so we take what we can get.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Mahefaloo:

I have played this game on and off since it first launched in early access, jumping on to check out updates and have a few games. Its only been recently i have started playing it properly and playing it a lot more.

Up until about rank 70 i played hazard 3 which i found fun and not too hard which was perfect since i was only ever playing the game a wee bit at a time.

I now play hazard 4 only since im used to the game a lot more and want more of challenge.

My only issue with this is that im finding so many low level players on hazard 4. Overall low rank, or low rank classes who just go down constantly, dont play to their class or ignore events and secondary objectives.

Is this something others are having issues with? is this what hazard 4 has always been like or am i just having bad luck with the games i join?

Waiting until Plvl 70 is way too long. And insisting on that high levels rather causes others (that meet this criteria) to avoid you.
While i agree that its rare that a new player will do good on H4/5, imo the majority more or less figured it enough for H4 around prom 1/2.
Since you need 3 char level per 1 playerlevel, that would mean probably around plvl 10-20.

[Dispenser (Garacian)]

I agree and honestly I wish they would lock haz 4 from players until they are a certain player level. Doesn't have to be a huge level but man the number of player level 4-10 on haz 4 i've been seeing lately is completely nuts.

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Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

We're not looking for your haz 4 mission. Rather, your haz 4 mission is the ONLY ONE showing up in the server list.

what ? Just do your assignment in haz 2-3 if you're level 5 please, you can easily solo it or host your own game no need to ruin haz 4 games

[DJDiceZ]

Honestly, if a greenbeard or two are enough to bring someone down in Haz 4, then they probably aren't playing perfectly either. You can still complete the mission on your own in Haz 4 (if needed, of course you should try to work with your team unless everything else fails).

But i understand it can be frustrating if one's expectation is just to have a good fun with 3 other teammates who know at least a thing or two about the game and their class. But it's not the end of the world if they don't, fortunately.

We probably shouldn't limit it, but if we do... let it not be higher than level 5~10.

After that point, if you get a player who isn't very good, they'd still probably not be much better if they were level 100.

On the other hand you'd be missing out on level 10 players who can already take on Haz 5.

[Forblaze]

I started playing this game a few weeks ago with a group of 3, all brand new to the game, and we were up to haz 3 by our second mission. That became boring at around rank 10, and we started clearing haz 4s soon after that. I understand being a coordinated group makes the game somewhat easier, but haz 4 feels a lot more like how the game was intended to be played than some prestigious hard mode.

[PhellAsleep]

Originally posted by Hartigan:

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

We're not looking for your haz 4 mission. Rather, your haz 4 mission is the ONLY ONE showing up in the server list.

what ? Just do your assignment in haz 2-3 if you're level 5 please, you can easily solo it or host your own game no need to ruin haz 4 games

Personally, I watched a lot of streams and youtube videos before starting. However, other people should not have to go through that amount of research, and as a result likely don't know how half of the mechanics work. A lot of the times, the other low level player couldn't figure out how to reach the map or know what an objective resource looks like. As I mentioned in the part you clipped out, most new players don't have the confidence that comes from experience, to run solo.

Our preference is actually to look for the lowest haz version of an assignment mission, so that we can get them done quickly and get our upgrades. But again, if you're the ONLY mission available in the search result, guess which one we're going to join?

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

but haz 4 feels a lot more like how the game was intended to be played than some prestigious hard mode.

Exactly, this game falls more within the casual genre than the hardcore genre. That doesn't mean it can't be challenging, but it's not like Haz 5 (and even modded Haz 6) hold a candle to the hardest games out there.