Facemelter is the worst OC and doesn't worth it

[ゲ-で]

+2 dmg is laughable and flowrate just increase your ammo consumption.
Pls change my mind

[Chibbity]

It's great for stripping dread armor.

Also, flow rate increases dps.

The +damage is less laughable when you consider how many bugs you can damage at once.

Not saying it's the best flamer OC but it certainly has uses.

[Fryskar]

I should change your mind? You mean i should dig out an even worse oc?
Because sure as hell i won't try to convince anyone face melter is really good.
It adds a bit dps for a lot sustain.

[Derpykat5]

Flow rate is the equivalent of fire rate. It's the same as taking a fire rate upgrate for any other weapon.
Is it the best? I wouldn't say that, but is it great for obliterating grunts from existence? Yes.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by derpykat5:

Flow rate is the equivalent of fire rate. It's the same as taking a fire rate upgrate for any other weapon.
Is it the best? I wouldn't say that, but is it great for obliterating grunts from existence? Yes.

The mainproblem i got with it is more rof isn't always better. Even less if it comes at such a price.
A little more dps sounds nice, but it already kills grunts pretty quick w.o.
For larger targets you should prefer sustain over dps as they already cost you more ammo than you should be willing to spend for one enemy.

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by derpykat5:

Flow rate is the equivalent of fire rate. It's the same as taking a fire rate upgrate for any other weapon.
Is it the best? I wouldn't say that, but is it great for obliterating grunts from existence? Yes.

It just eats your fuel at faster rate, it does have bigger dps, but dps doesn't matter that much when you run out of fuel. Basically with this OC you trade 75 ammo and movespeed for +2 dmg, I'm not even sure if this +2dmg worth this 75 fuel tbh.

[King Fossil]

I'd much rather take sticky additive and just pick the rof upgrade. You end up with the same rof/ammo as face melter does assuming it takes ammo in the third slot, but you get less of a movement penalty and longer sticky flames. Face melter does 17 instead of 16 damage but that's not exactly huge.
Face melter used to be good before they moved the upgrades around since it was the only way to get +rof and either +range or +magsize at the same time, but now it's just sort of whatever.

[Chibbity]

Eliminations are a great use case for facemelter.

You just want the dreads dead asap, ammo efficiency be damned.

It's certainly less ideal for like a length/complexity 3 Haz 5 mining run, but it's still usable if you are conservative with it.

[kestrel]

different overclocks work better for different missions

face melter is dreadful for ammo conservation which is why you dont bring it to long form missions, but if you wanna speedrun or do a quick mission like elimination (as others have suggested) its a decent pick

personally i just take the extra tank oc, and i use the flow rate and fear mods. best of both worlds for power, ammo and utility

[Dwarfurious]

I kinda stopped using it when i realized i could just MAKE facemelter with other mod choices and pick a different OC. Imo its a strong candidate for more damage but negative range.

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

I kinda stopped using it when i realized i could just MAKE facemelter with other mod choices and pick a different OC. Imo its a strong candidate for more damage but negative range.

There's also nothing unstable about this OC, just a damage and dps buff, it's more a balanced OC.

[Vault Traveler]

There will be more balancing updates in the future. Its already confirmed.

[0ptimistPrime (the Gray)]

I personally love Facemelter.

Originally posted by G-d:

Originally posted by derpykat5:

Flow rate is the equivalent of fire rate. It's the same as taking a fire rate upgrate for any other weapon.
Is it the best? I wouldn't say that, but is it great for obliterating grunts from existence? Yes.

It just eats your fuel at faster rate, it does have bigger dps, but dps doesn't matter that much when you run out of fuel.

DPS = "damage per second"
If your flowrate is higher, it's the exact same as fire rate with a gun that shoots bullets.
10 bullets per second, each bullet does 2 damage. That's 20 DPS
15 bullets per second, each bullet does 2 damage. That's 30 DPS
Yes, you're shooting bullets faster so you run out of bullets faster, but that means you are shooting more bullets in the same amount of time. That's the "per second" part in DPS.

It works the exact same way with the Flamethrower.
Its default rate of fire (or flowrate) is 6.0. This OC adds 1.8 to the rate of fire.
So if you previously damaged enemies 6 times per second, with this OC you're damaging them ~8 times per second. Thus increasing its DPS.
Combine that with the +2 damage, and it further improves said DPS.

You may eat through ammo faster but you kill your targets faster too. It balances out, but the net gain you're picking up is that things are dead faster, giving them less chance to harm you or your crewmates.
It's most noticeable when used on bulky tanking enemies, especially dreadnoughts.

[Syncourt]

It's my favorite flamer OC with the fastest TTK. Get the job done faster.

+30% flow rate is not just +30% ammo consumption, it's +30% damage and +30% more heat generation, +30% faster TTKs and exploding targets proc speed. 30% faster everything. It kills every enemy quicker and lights every special on fire faster for the subata combo.

All I need to do is sacrifice It Burns! for ammo.

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

I kinda stopped using it when i realized i could just MAKE facemelter with other mod choices and pick a different OC. Imo its a strong candidate for more damage but negative range.

Don't even think about touching it's range. The damage benefits are more powerful and the ammo penalty is less impacting when you can cover more enemies. I'm quite happy to sacrifice a mere 75 ammo for what it does.

Also, how do you use other mod choices to get +160% flow rate and 17 damage?

Originally posted by G-d:

There's also nothing unstable about this OC, just a damage and dps buff, it's more a balanced OC.

It sacrifices movement speed as well, similar to lead storm and gas recycling. Though ammo penalty isn't quite as high on the other downside as what those 2 get.

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by Syncourt:

It's my favorite flamer OC with the fastest TTK. Get the job done faster.

+30% flow rate is not just +30% ammo consumption, it's +30% damage and +30% more heat generation, +30% faster TTKs and exploding targets proc speed. 30% faster everything. It kills every enemy quicker and lights every special on fire faster for the subata combo.

All I need to do is sacrifice It Burns! for ammo.

Originally posted by Dwarfurious:

I kinda stopped using it when i realized i could just MAKE facemelter with other mod choices and pick a different OC. Imo its a strong candidate for more damage but negative range.

Don't even think about touching it's range. The damage benefits are more powerful and the ammo penalty is less impacting when you can cover more enemies. I'm quite happy to sacrifice a mere 75 ammo for what it does.

Also, how do you use other mod choices to get +160% flow rate and 17 damage?

Originally posted by G-d:

There's also nothing unstable about this OC, just a damage and dps buff, it's more a balanced OC.

It sacrifices movement speed as well, similar to lead storm and gas recycling. Though ammo penalty isn't quite as high on the other downside as what those 2 get.

Let me reprhase this there's nothing good unstable about this OC.

[Syncourt]

Originally posted by G-d:

Let me reprhase this there's nothing good unstable about this OC.

Yeah, I mean that's just like Lead Storms upside. The only 'unstable' things about LS are the downsides: no movement or stun, which are much more mechanically gamechanging than Face Melter's small ammo and speed penalties.

The only thing I notice with FM is having a slightly slower movement speed when I need to backpedal and the inability to turn praetorians around (being used to taking 'It Burns!' normally but taking the extra ammo with FM). It's hardly a comparison to LS and Gas Recycling's penalties.