Players using Cheat Engine

[marcio772]

I was playing today with another player and he told me that he was using Cheat Engine and he had all the items with low level. Is that possible? I dont think that this could be any good for the game.

[TwentyOne]

The game itself is a PvE Co-op shooter that runs on a p2p connection model, so cheaters are bound to happen from time to time. However cheat engine itself is pretty much a pretty crude cheating device, since all you do is manipulate certain values by hand which means you can't really make any substantial effects other than to progress faster, while code injections are worse due to their potential, like forcing to spawn things, aimbots, etc... But I've yet to see ome of those.

Overall, I don't think there's much to worry about it, plus you can always kick the cheater when you are the host.

[Snaggle]

Or as client, if you notice odd things like no turret setup time for eng, gunner throwing too many shields, a host asking where the croppa vein is then seeing the croppa depoist go from 14 to 546, leave the game.

The alternative solutions are not worth the impact of the problem.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

Originally posted by TwentyOne:

The game itself is a PvE Co-op shooter that runs on a p2p connection model, so cheaters are bound to happen from time to time. However cheat engine itself is pretty much a pretty crude cheating device, since all you do is manipulate certain values by hand which means you can't really make any substantial effects other than to progress faster, while code injections are worse due to their potential, like forcing to spawn things, aimbots, etc... But I've yet to see ome of those.

Overall, I don't think there's much to worry about it, plus you can always kick the cheater when you are the host.

a bit more potent then you think considering games are programmed with values, but I do agree.

[phittte]

I just looked at the cheat engine forum and apparently you can give yourself unlimited ammo, no spinup time, no driller overheating and similar things. You can also give yourself secondary objective stuff like Apoca Bloom. But thankfully you can't give yourself minerals or money (yet).

It's pretty idiotic to use this in a coop shooter and I would give most people who use it the benefit of the doubt that they only use it in singleplayer to mess around. Personally I haven't noticed anyone using it online in 80 hours. As long as I don't end up with thousands of minerals at the end of a round I don't care. If I ever meet someone who fires indefinitely with his minigun with no spinup time I'll just leave and play somewhere else.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

Originally posted by phittte:

I just looked at the cheat engine forum and apparently you can give yourself unlimited ammo, no spinup time, no driller overheating and similar things. You can also give yourself secondary objective stuff like Apoca Bloom. But thankfully you can't give yourself minerals or money (yet).

It's pretty idiotic to use this in a coop shooter and I would give most people who use it the benefit of the doubt that they only use it in singleplayer to mess around. Personally I haven't noticed anyone using it online in 80 hours. As long as I don't end up with thousands of minerals at the end of a round I don't care. If I ever meet someone who fires indefinitely with his minigun with no spinup time I'll just leave and play somewhere else.

I've used it before on other games, not DRG so I can understand the appeal to an extent, its like soft modding to tailor a game experience more to your liking or surpass the code's limitations placed on you so I can understand it for those reasons. Using it to grief others however I disapprove strongly.

[Stellar Fox]

Whatever, cheats are 100% fine to use in this game. Just play offline or with your friends so you dont ruin the experience of others.

[TwentyOne]

Originally posted by Ancient Zest:

Originally posted by TwentyOne:

The game itself is a PvE Co-op shooter that runs on a p2p connection model, so cheaters are bound to happen from time to time. However cheat engine itself is pretty much a pretty crude cheating device, since all you do is manipulate certain values by hand which means you can't really make any substantial effects other than to progress faster, while code injections are worse due to their potential, like forcing to spawn things, aimbots, etc... But I've yet to see ome of those.

Overall, I don't think there's much to worry about it, plus you can always kick the cheater when you are the host.

a bit more potent then you think considering games are programmed with values, but I do agree.

The thing is, Cheat Engine works with the OS's value adresses and their values, meaning you need to find the right adress first (by trial and error) and then you can change the value of this addres. The thing is, these adresses are not constant, they shift around with every time the game is booted up, as the system only assigns them the adresses that are currently unoccupied. This means, to not always have to search for them you'd need to figure out a way to track down which process gets that address, which most likely isn't a cakewalk, and have Cheat Engine track it down.

So for simple hacks like changing certain numbers of the game and that the player can change a lot, it works perfectly, as long as the game doesn't decide to abandon that address and take on a new one for the same variable that's basically the same. However if you have no idea what you are searching for, or you can't change the variables by hand (or really rarely), it's much more difficult. Furthermore, you're pretty much accessing the lowest level of programming there is, which makes any actual advanced hacks nigh impossible to do without dedicating a lot of time and reverse engineering, and can be pretty dangerous too, since editing the wrong address can have bigger consequences for the stability of the program or your OS.

[♂TheBlasterMaster™✞]

Originally posted by Stellar fox:

Whatever, cheats are 100% fine to use in this game. Just play offline or with your friends so you dont ruin the experience of others.

No they are not.

[Chibbity]

Discussion of cheats is against the Steam forum rules, this thread should be locked.

It serves no purpose but to inform others of the details of how and why to cheat. Why don't you guys link the website for them and give them install instructions while you're at it?

Think before you post people.

[TwentyOne]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Discussion of cheats is against the Steam forum rules, this thread should be locked.

It serves no purpose but to inform others of the details of how and why to cheat.

Think before you post people.

I don't think that's quite right, since no one said any reason as to why to cheat, and the closest we got to an explanation of how cheat works is my post explaining how Cheat Engine is used for hacking, but even then it's a pretty vague description of the process, and even then, based on that alone people still would have no idea how to use it even with that in mind.

However it is an important discussion on whether any anti-cheat systems are necessary, since it's "only" a p2p game and not one where you had to rely on official servers for you to play. Payday 2 for example tackled the problem by adding an anti-cheat system that would autokick cheaters when they get detected, and mark them as a cheater if they don't get autokicked, both in-game and in the lobby select screen. However again, developing such a system might take resources away from the active development, slowing down the development progress somewhat.

[Chibbity]

Proliferation of cheats, hacks, and exploits is exactly why discussing all those things is against the Steam forum rules.

At best this thread accomplishes nothing, at worst; it has created more cheaters/hackers, or spread information about it to potential cheaters/hackers.

I get that no one here was operating under that intent, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Discussion of cheats is against the Steam forum rules, this thread should be locked.

It serves no purpose but to inform others of the details of how and why to cheat. Why don't you guys link the website for them and give them install instructions while you're at it?

Think before you post people.

I think you're just being touchy. Everyone knows about cheat engine. Have to live under a rock to not know about it. As for people who want to cheat, it's not steam forums where they'll be asking.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by Ancient Zest:

I think you're just being touchy. Everyone knows about cheat engine. Have to live under a rock to not know about it. As for people who want to cheat, it's not steam forums where they'll be asking.

I don't make the rules, I just point them out! Lol.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Originally posted by Ancient Zest:

I think you're just being touchy. Everyone knows about cheat engine. Have to live under a rock to not know about it. As for people who want to cheat, it's not steam forums where they'll be asking.

I don't make the rules, I just point them out! Lol.

Sure but you don't enforce them either, so....

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by Ancient Zest:

Originally posted by Chibbity:

I don't make the rules, I just point them out! Lol.

Sure but you don't enforce them either, so....

No, nor do I care too.

That's someone else's job.

I'm just letting you guys know that talking about it here only spreads the information around to people who may other wise have missed it. It's the same reason you don't post exploits on the forum, you report them quietly to the dev; so they don't get further abused by more players.