Scout weapons inverted ?

[Eisvogel]

I am wondering about this... most classes seem to have an equivalent weapon alternative in their designated weapons..... engi has alternate heavy gun between breach cutter and GL..... gunner has alternative to minigun with autocannon and revolver with burst fire... and soon...... but here for scout it would seem the alternative to shotgun would be the bolt rifle.... and alternative to deepcore rifle would be the new smgs.... but in the case of the scout those are swapped..... and with how little ammo the smg has for the massive amount it rapidly consumes... it feels lacking and without the ability to swap it you are kinda locked to single combination choice... at least that's how it feels to me

[Chibbity]

Hmm?

M1000/Shotty build works great, double fear.

Likewise; AR/SMG build works great too, double movement speed buff.

[tramantraks]

Actually I was just using AR/SMG; with the sprint buff perk, and the speed buff upgrade, for the SMG. Slapped the tier one single accuracy upgrade on the rifle also, because I found I was only taking it out to snipe. I was very fast and very bouncy, and I have never played scout that way before. 700 bullets with 50/clip seemed to keep me reloading and moving. I did know going in, though, that I was going to be a bullet hose and not so much have a heavy/secondary, or near/far kind of dichotomy with my weaponry. I'm not feeling constrained.

[elipod]

Publicado originalmente por Chibbity:

M1000/Shotty build works great, double fear.

That's what I ended up with.
It feels more organic to operate two slow weapons than swapping beween sniping and spraying.

And engineer turrets can't kill steal. Worth nothing, but I sometimes outperform engy by kills)

[Chucky]

the smgs have plenty of ammo

[Kangaroo]

yeah i thought this first too. but as i tried to kill a glyph pretorian with the akimbo smg's i saw this weapon replaces the shotgun well

[BROLY 32]

I tried the AR again with different upgrades, it just feels so bad...

[BROLY 32]

Publicado originalmente por Wiawyr:

Publicado originalmente por BROLY 32:

I tried the AR again with different upgrades, it just feels so bad...

Finding the right upgrades for you is a process. Don't give up, the AR is still a great weapon, you'll get the hang of it some day.

Even with both the accuracy upgrades, it still doesn't feel accurate at all. It's a close to mid range weapon at best now. Killing macteras with it is just a pain.

[jabberwok]

I'd say the M1000 makes sense as a primary for the scout. It's your sniper weapon. Most games will lock you out of having a second rifle. The SMGs are your fallback for closer engagements.

Think of it as a subclass. You're changing from scout to sniper when you choose that weapon.

[BROLY 32]

Publicado originalmente por Wiawyr:

You're probably used to games that make the recoil almost zero or give huge aiming bonuses to controller users.

Uh, no. Started with ut04, 1.6, went through all the serious sams, kf 1-2, l4d1-2, these are my kind of fps games. Thought you went through my profile, you should know.
Back to the AR. Even when tapfiring, the dps and performance is sub par and the overall feeling of the gun is mediocre. The only good things it has are the bonus ms after a kill and the decent ammo pool when upgraded.

[jabberwok]

Publicado originalmente por BROLY 32:

Publicado originalmente por Wiawyr:

You're probably used to games that make the recoil almost zero or give huge aiming bonuses to controller users.

Uh, no. Started with ut04, 1.6, went through all the serious sams, kf 1-2, l4d1-2, these are my kind of fps games. Thought you went through my profile, you should know.
Back to the AR. Even when tapfiring, the dps and performance is sub par and the overall feeling of the gun is mediocre. The only good things it has are the bonus ms after a kill and the decent ammo pool when upgraded.

Hmm, really? I find myself shredding most enemies in no time with two damage upgrades and a fire rate buff, at just about any range. Certainly doesn't have the precision damage of the M1000 (as it shouldn't), but it seems like a pretty capable bullet hose to me.

[BROLY 32]

Publicado originalmente por jabberwok:

Publicado originalmente por BROLY 32:

Uh, no. Started with ut04, 1.6, went through all the serious sams, kf 1-2, l4d1-2, these are my kind of fps games. Thought you went through my profile, you should know.
Back to the AR. Even when tapfiring, the dps and performance is sub par and the overall feeling of the gun is mediocre. The only good things it has are the bonus ms after a kill and the decent ammo pool when upgraded.

Hmm, really? I find myself shredding most enemies in no time with two damage upgrades and a fire rate buff, at just about any range.

That's my experience with the double pistols. They're insanely more accurate (it's not even close), reload faster, shoot faster, do more damage per second... It serves the same role and overall does everything better while also having a better feeling to it.

[Eisvogel]

The smgs more accurate than the rifle? don't know how you get that feeling, the smgs not only drain ammo, but they also cant bet trusted beyond a few ms... while firing tap round with rifle can take out enemies at almost any distance reliably.

[Super Arthritis ⁧⁧ ⁧⁧Man]

Thirding that the AR is a great weapon.

Publicado originalmente por Wiawyr:

Try shooting in short bursts or even tap firing, it works great on mactera that are up to 70m away and dodging or picking off easy headshots on moving warriors at 40m.

This is how I use it too.

[Morte Wulfe]

I don't know about you, but a load out I generally have always liked is sniper plus in close smg as back up. Having the sniper in the secondary slot just doesn't seem right since it is a primary weapon?

[BROLY 32]

Publicado originalmente por Eisvogel:

The smgs more accurate than the rifle? don't know how you get that feeling

By playing the game on haz4 solo, with friends and online with pubs !
When I use it, AR can barely hold its own vs a small wave of 8 veteran warriors, takes at least one reload and 10+ seconds to kill them all. Smgs kill them all in one spray...

Snipe things from afar with tapfire AR then ? Well, might as well pick the M1000 who's gonna one shot anything under praetorian level with perfect accuracy after 1 second of focus. Seems way more efficient.

Honestly, I'd like to see some upgrade build suggestions from you guys. I'd like to be proven wrong and to be able to enjoy the AR again, since it felt fine pre update.
Stuff like "you're a cod kiddie" and "he's putting on a farce", while it fits the character, isn't really interesting to hear at all, no offense.