Players using cheats

[Cat]

Is there any sort of anti cheat system for this game or at least a way for us to report players in-game for cheating?

I'm seeing players using blatant cheats such as speedhacks, rapid fire, unimited ammo, noclip etc etc.

[Landor]

I think it's just up to the hosts of lobbies to kick cheaters right now, or the players to leave the lobby if the host fails at that.

I don't condone cheating, but at the same time I can't help but feel wary about adding anti-cheat systems. It just seems far too easy for people to have blind faith in an automated system, and when the false-positives do happen those that are affected won't be able to get any help.

Better ways for hosts to detect the cheaters when the show up, and then dealing with them sounds good to me. At least there you have a human in the mix that can check if there's actually a cheater or not (which isn't perfect, but better then just a fully automated system imo.)

[hotmatrixx]

also, it's not PvP, so its' likely not a priority until late int he development of the game.

[Valhalla Awaits]

No, sadly the game has absolutely zero anti-cheat, in fact the entire game is saved to your HD alone, with nothing validated on a server anywhere, meaning you can literally just give yourself anything you want. Also in-game cheats are also quite easy. Due to the low playerbase it's actually semi-common to see obvious hacking now as your far more likely to run into them.

Only option atm is to always be the host, and to kick them on sight.

[YoQuieroPachelbel]

In my 100+ hours of playing, I've not once seen any obvious hacking. And to be fair, as stated before by others, I don't think a game like this really needs a dedicated anticheat technology; there is no player vs. player component, and so no one loses to another for unfair reasons. The only advantage hackers have is that they can get cosmetics / upgrades faster if they want, but honestly that's a pretty dumb advantage, and if a small segment of the community wants to do that, then go ahead I guess. If a hacker is obviously disrupting a game, the host can kick them; if they don't (which if it's really that bad, they should unless they're friends with said hacker), then you can leave the game and start your own.

Also, with regards to the faster cosmetics / upgrades, I'm not sure that's necessarily all that true. (at least for those who use in-game cheats like aimbots) An aimbot isn't going to help you mine minerals faster. That, and if you really wanted to make the game easy and get all the cosmetics / upgrades, you could just go on Hazard 1 (which should be fairly easy). Hacking in a game like this is just dumb, TBH.

[Valhalla Awaits]

Originally posted by Yo Quiero Pachelbel:

In my 100+ hours of playing, I've not once seen any obvious hacking. And to be fair, as stated before by others, I don't think a game like this really needs a dedicated anticheat technology; there is no player vs. player component, and so no one loses to another for unfair reasons. The only advantage hackers have is that they can get cosmetics / upgrades faster if they want, but honestly that's a pretty dumb advantage, and if a small segment of the community wants to do that, then go ahead I guess. If a hacker is obviously disrupting a game, the host can kick them; if they don't (which if it's really that bad, they should unless they're friends with said hacker), then you can leave the game and start your own.

Also, with regards to the faster cosmetics / upgrades, I'm not sure that's necessarily all that true. (at least for those who use in-game cheats like aimbots) An aimbot isn't going to help you mine minerals faster. That, and if you really wanted to make the game easy and get all the cosmetics / upgrades, you could just go on Hazard 1 (which should be fairly easy). Hacking in a game like this is just dumb, TBH.

I've encountered 3 so far out of around 1,000 matches, so no, they are not common. And while I would normally agree with you that hacking isn't a major issue in a non-competitive game, hacking in this can ruin OTHER people game, such as the common hack where everyone gets 9,999 of all ores at the end of a match, this one isn't obvious till you finish a match with a hacker, then he single handedly ruins all your progression, several people have complained about this one. Then another hack I heard someone say happened was a negative value of all ores at the end of a match, meaning people LOST progress due to a griefing hacker. So yes, these hacks DO impact other players in this game.

[Taint Snorkeler]

Originally posted by Valhalla Awaits:

Originally posted by Yo Quiero Pachelbel:

In my 100+ hours of playing, I've not once seen any obvious hacking. And to be fair, as stated before by others, I don't think a game like this really needs a dedicated anticheat technology; there is no player vs. player component, and so no one loses to another for unfair reasons. The only advantage hackers have is that they can get cosmetics / upgrades faster if they want, but honestly that's a pretty dumb advantage, and if a small segment of the community wants to do that, then go ahead I guess. If a hacker is obviously disrupting a game, the host can kick them; if they don't (which if it's really that bad, they should unless they're friends with said hacker), then you can leave the game and start your own.

Also, with regards to the faster cosmetics / upgrades, I'm not sure that's necessarily all that true. (at least for those who use in-game cheats like aimbots) An aimbot isn't going to help you mine minerals faster. That, and if you really wanted to make the game easy and get all the cosmetics / upgrades, you could just go on Hazard 1 (which should be fairly easy). Hacking in a game like this is just dumb, TBH.

I've encountered 3 so far out of around 1,000 matches, so no, they are not common. And while I would normally agree with you that hacking isn't a major issue in a non-competitive game, hacking in this can ruin OTHER people game, such as the common hack where everyone gets 9,999 of all ores at the end of a match, this one isn't obvious till you finish a match with a hacker, then he single handedly ruins all your progression, several people have complained about this one. Then another hack I heard someone say happened was a negative value of all ores at the end of a match, meaning people LOST progress due to a griefing hacker. So yes, these hacks DO impact other players in this game.

> see's - 9999 / + 9999 hack after match
> opens cheat engine
> fix's the hack with another hack
> ???
> issue fixed.

i dont agree with hacking, but nothing wrong with a Counter hack ;) aslong as you go back to what you had.

[YoQuieroPachelbel]

Hmm... players getting added ore. That's interesting, it sounds like the relevant data then is somehow in the client's hands, and can be modified? Otherwise, I don't see how a hacker could do this, unless they are legitimately hacking (and not just using some sort of client side cheat engine) wherever DRG stores this data. (although I assume it's probably mostly clientside) There are probably other ways for the devs to counteract this though than integrating a fullblown anticheat software like Battleye, Punkbuster, etc.

[GrimRJak]

The first week of the game there were players making scripts to modify weapon firerates which to me just meant it was only a matter of time before they’d find other ways to modify the game in other way.There probably wont be any anti cheat measures seeing as it isn't a priority on the road map since most players don't care.

UE4 is easy to hack and it's sad devs arent wont do anything until the community steps up but in order for that to happen hacking will probably have to be wide spread toxic bad and be has popular as other grossing steam games.

[Tiger]

While I think some form of anti-cheat may come later on, it's not a huge issue right now imho. Even for those who see more of it than i have, I think the devs are in the right to prioritize fleshing out the game and fixing bugs and stability issues first as they have been doing quite admirably, It's more important to have a solid framework in place this early on and it's clear that they're still working on that. Adding an anticheat now when the framework is still being developed and various critical systems like the save system are subject to change/rewrite would just mean a lot more work later on.

AntiCheat will be easier to add once the game is closer to feature-complete as there's no sense adding it right now when things like the save system are due for revamp. If this were a pvp game I could see anti-cheat being more important early on, however, it's not. Furthermore good anti-cheat software isn't exactly easy to come by. Yes there are solutions like EasyAntiCheat and the like but they're not very effective. Often times the best solution is to roll your own. The war vs cheaters is something to tackle later on in the development cycle, doing so this early would detract from the amount of work being put towards the core mechanics and systems and prolong development time for those systems.

For now I see kicking and playing with friends as the best option.

[Squirting Elephant]

Cheaters influencing your personal savefile is my only concern.

[YoQuieroPachelbel]

Originally posted by Squirting Elephant:

Cheaters influencing your personal savefile is my only concern.

You can influence your personal savefile back, as well :P (I assume... not sure how readily modifiable the game data is without a tool)

[YoQuieroPachelbel]

If anything, I think devs should ban players that have been somehow shown to be modifying other player's game files, as that's a bit over the line. I've never seen anything like it happen, though, yet.

Perhaps for this case a temporary system of being able to report the individual could be setup? I'm not sure what evidence this sort of cheating would leave, however, if any.

Like others have stated, it might be too time consuming or costly (often times devs pay to license the anticheat software they use) for devs to implement a dedicated anticheat system at this point, especially considering it's mostly unnecessary at the moment.

[ArkSeyonet]

Originally posted by Yo Quiero Pachelbel:

Hmm... players getting added ore. That's interesting, it sounds like the relevant data then is somehow in the client's hands, and can be modified? Otherwise, I don't see how a hacker could do this, unless they are legitimately hacking (and not just using some sort of client side cheat engine) wherever DRG stores this data. (although I assume it's probably mostly clientside) There are probably other ways for the devs to counteract this though than integrating a fullblown anticheat software like Battleye, Punkbuster, etc.

Most of the data in the game is client-side and unencrypted, so pretty much anyone that joins can alter values that they want to alter. The only things that are host specific are things like hp, shields, and resources (inside of the match). Anything else is clientside, so you can join someone's game with infinite ammo at the very least.

Tbh, I don't mind hacking at all since it's a PvE game and hosts have the ability to kick as long as they are only doing said hacks to themselves... But giving everyone ore/xp that didn't ask for it is something that they should take steps to prevent by making the ore/xp rewards host-side.

[Chibbity]

I played with a Chinese player who was level 1,000+

Not being racist at all, but; I'm calling hacks?

[MADanger]

Nearly 70 hours in the game and have not encountered anyone cheating in any obvious way whatsoever.