Half-Life: Alyx

Half-Life: Alyx

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Grulemugg 2020 年 4 月 15 日 下午 5:23
Feature Request: XBOX Controller (Gamepad) Support
I know, I know.
Still, I just don't want to play with VR Controllers. I want to sit and use my VR headset just as a head mounted display. I know that's not the way it's meant to be played (pun intended) but I still very much would like to not play with motion tracking. Its annoying and complicated and makes me not play the game.
最後修改者:Grulemugg; 2020 年 4 月 15 日 下午 5:25
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LemonyNebula 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 5:20 
引用自 Grulemugg
To try it out?

I only played Cockpit based VR games until now. DCS, Overload, Elite. I love VR. Alxy was the first time I ever used VR controllers. I hate it, I hate the controllers. Still Alyx is already a legendary game and video gaming history - I had to see it for myself! But for me, I really like to play Skyrim VR with a gamepad.

I was one of the 3D pioneers with the Elsa Revelator and with NVIDIA 3D Vision. Right now, I just want a Head Mounted Display and headtracking to look around in the game world. Gesture controlls and standing while playing ist not for me, absolutely not. I hate it I feel like ripping the gear off it doesn't add to the immersion for me it makes me feel like scuba diving for the first time. (Like an idiot about to die due to stupidity.)

The motion controls are 1:1. It replicates real world movements as best it can. It is not gesture. If you lean over to pick something up in the real world, you can play this game.
I consider the motion controls to be intuitive and something I don't even need to think to do. The least intuitive thing is the locomotion that is controlled the same as a gamepad.

You can also play seated, you can play with one hand, and I am not entirely sure what gear you would be ripping off motion controller wise, if you still want the headset?

I'm sorry but it makes no sense to me.

One thing I can understand though, is Alyx just not being for you, which is fine. There are other games that can use controllers, but they would not want to limit this game by trying to design it around both methods.
Grulemugg 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 10:20 
I hate the VR controllers so far.
I only tried them in Alyx and Alxy got kicked out of my favorites as a result, I won't play this I cant tolerate it. I will try the VR Controllers in No Mans Sky next, and I expect that to suck as well.

I love the games I can play with a HOTAS flightstick and Skyrim with a controller is also fine.

I want no replication of real world movement and I dont want to move ^^
I want to sit in my office chair and use a classic controll method like keyboard and mouse, joystick or gamepad while using a head mounted head tracking 3D monitor.

Lets turn this around:
Who of you plays Overload in VR?
The Maddog 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 10:30 
引用自 Grulemugg
I hate the VR controllers so far.
I only tried them in Alyx and Alxy got kicked out of my favorites as a result, I won't play this I cant tolerate it. I will try the VR Controllers in No Mans Sky next, and I expect that to suck as well.

I love the games I can play with a HOTAS flightstick and Skyrim with a controller is also fine.

I want no replication of real world movement and I dont want to move ^^
I want to sit in my office chair and use a classic controll method like keyboard and mouse, joystick or gamepad while using a head mounted head tracking 3D monitor.

Lets turn this around:
Who of you plays Overload in VR?

"You don't want".......

That's the problem here. You're in a minority. A very small minority of people who don't want motions controls. A tiny niche within what is currently a a niche market anyway.

I play plenty of games in VR with a HOTAS, wheel + game pad. They exist and Alyx is simply not one of them and never will be. It's simply down to the game design. The only reason Skyrim has it is because it was a carry over from the desktop version, something they could not do with Fallout 4 VR though.

You cant remake Alyx to work with a controller because it just wont work. The game wasnt built with it in mind. Something like Elite Dangerous though wasn't designed with motion controllers as an input method, ergo works best with a mouse, keyboard and HOTAS.


I'm all for giving players the choice for input but there are simply some player choices that can not be offered. xbox controller support in ALyx is simply one of the choices that you wont or cant have. To much world interaction relies in free hand gestures.

Grulemugg 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 10:37 
I totallay agree with you.

Hopefully when better and more affordable wireless VR Headsets are availiable and I can move the "Playspace" away from the PC (or desk respectively) I will get into the motion controll thing a little bit more.

Right now I will pass on playing Alyx.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 11:23 
引用自 Grulemugg
To try it out?

I only played Cockpit based VR games until now. DCS, Overload, Elite. I love VR. Alxy was the first time I ever used VR controllers. I hate it, I hate the controllers. Still Alyx is already a legendary game and video gaming history - I had to see it for myself! But for me, I really like to play Skyrim VR with a gamepad.

I was one of the 3D pioneers with the Elsa Revelator and with NVIDIA 3D Vision. Right now, I just want a Head Mounted Display and headtracking to look around in the game world. Gesture controlls and standing while playing ist not for me, absolutely not. I hate it I feel like ripping the gear off it doesn't add to the immersion for me it makes me feel like scuba diving for the first time. (Like an idiot about to die due to stupidity.)
Dude... It's not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Wii. This isn't "gesture based".
Titans of Time 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 11:26 
引用自 Muse Snooze
引用自 Grulemugg
To try it out?

I only played Cockpit based VR games until now. DCS, Overload, Elite. I love VR. Alxy was the first time I ever used VR controllers. I hate it, I hate the controllers. Still Alyx is already a legendary game and video gaming history - I had to see it for myself! But for me, I really like to play Skyrim VR with a gamepad.

I was one of the 3D pioneers with the Elsa Revelator and with NVIDIA 3D Vision. Right now, I just want a Head Mounted Display and headtracking to look around in the game world. Gesture controlls and standing while playing ist not for me, absolutely not. I hate it I feel like ripping the gear off it doesn't add to the immersion for me it makes me feel like scuba diving for the first time. (Like an idiot about to die due to stupidity.)
Dude... It's not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Wii. This isn't "gesture based".

People w/o VR attempting to describe VR reminds me of Steve Carrel in 40 Year old Virgin attempting to describe how boobs feel.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 ^tchaosvh
引用自 Muse Snooze
Dude... It's not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Wii. This isn't "gesture based".

People w/o VR attempting to describe VR reminds me of Steve Carrel in 40 Year old Virgin attempting to describe how boobs feel.
Well this dude just INSISTED he's got the controllers, he has the mouse icon. But he's literally admitted to being lazy as ♥♥♥♥, can't fix that.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 Grulemugg
I totallay agree with you.

Hopefully when better and more affordable wireless VR Headsets are availiable and I can move the "Playspace" away from the PC (or desk respectively) I will get into the motion controll thing a little bit more.

Right now I will pass on playing Alyx.
Listen. Listen listen.
Games I only play in VR now that are also flat:

Doom, Payday 2, Half Life 2,
None of these games are "gesture based". That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You think the Grabbity Gloves are a gesture, I'm sure.

Go play Red Steel 1. That game genuinely is gesture based trash. This, and other VR games AREN'T EVEN CLOSE. You've legitimately not given the game, or hardware, enough time at all.
Titans of Time 2020 年 5 月 14 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 Muse Snooze
引用自 ^tchaosvh

People w/o VR attempting to describe VR reminds me of Steve Carrel in 40 Year old Virgin attempting to describe how boobs feel.
Well this dude just INSISTED he's got the controllers, he has the mouse icon. But he's literally admitted to being lazy as ♥♥♥♥, can't fix that.

I dunno man. If someone thinks VR motion controls are ANYTHING like wiimotes... I just don't see how that's possible if they've actually used them. Who knows though, maybe.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 12:18 
引用自 ^tchaosvh
引用自 Muse Snooze
Well this dude just INSISTED he's got the controllers, he has the mouse icon. But he's literally admitted to being lazy as ♥♥♥♥, can't fix that.

I dunno man. If someone thinks VR motion controls are ANYTHING like wiimotes... I just don't see how that's possible if they've actually used them. Who knows though, maybe.
Agreed, actually.
gyroninja 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:16 
引用自 Muse Snooze
引用自 Grulemugg
I totallay agree with you.

Hopefully when better and more affordable wireless VR Headsets are availiable and I can move the "Playspace" away from the PC (or desk respectively) I will get into the motion controll thing a little bit more.

Right now I will pass on playing Alyx.
Listen. Listen listen.
Games I only play in VR now that are also flat:

Doom, Payday 2, Half Life 2,
None of these games are "gesture based". That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You think the Grabbity Gloves are a gesture, I'm sure.

Go play Red Steel 1. That game genuinely is gesture based trash. This, and other VR games AREN'T EVEN CLOSE. You've legitimately not given the game, or hardware, enough time at all.
Honestly, the gravity glove's pull mechanic is based off a gesture. It's not like a gentle flick of the wrist barely moves the object.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:21 
引用自 gyroninja
引用自 Muse Snooze
Listen. Listen listen.
Games I only play in VR now that are also flat:

Doom, Payday 2, Half Life 2,
None of these games are "gesture based". That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You think the Grabbity Gloves are a gesture, I'm sure.

Go play Red Steel 1. That game genuinely is gesture based trash. This, and other VR games AREN'T EVEN CLOSE. You've legitimately not given the game, or hardware, enough time at all.
Honestly, the gravity glove's pull mechanic is based off a gesture. It's not like a gentle flick of the wrist barely moves the object.
That's literally the one thing, though.
Grulemugg 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:37 
Well you guys should factor in the not a native english speaker thing. I really don't care if VR controllers are "gesture" or "motion" controllers, but I know they suck for me. I don't want to use them and since Alyx requires them, I put Alyx back in the virtual shelf to gather virtual dust. I said many times I am damn impressed with the game but since the controls suck for me the game sucks for me and I will much rather explore other VR titles like the DCS: F-18C which is also an increddible VR experience. You guys seem to have a hard time to respect other peoples oppinions though.
Muse Snooze (已封鎖) 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 3:53 
引用自 Grulemugg
Well you guys should factor in the not a native english speaker thing. I really don't care if VR controllers are "gesture" or "motion" controllers, but I know they suck for me. I don't want to use them and since Alyx requires them, I put Alyx back in the virtual shelf to gather virtual dust. I said many times I am damn impressed with the game but since the controls suck for me the game sucks for me and I will much rather explore other VR titles like the DCS: F-18C which is also an increddible VR experience. You guys seem to have a hard time to respect other peoples oppinions though.
It's like if you came onto a counter strike 1.6 forum and complained about how you needed to aim up and down, Doom didn't need that!
Daddy Shark 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 4:04 
It's like when Henry Ford very first started selling cars to local farmfolk in Michigan. They didn't want cars because they would yell "whoa!" at the car and it never slowed down so they wanted to stick with horses.

That's how OP sounds.The Vive wands and especially index controllers are so far ahead of a gamepad in every single metric it's like comparing a Tesla to riding a horse - and the OP is stubbornly choosing a horse for no good reason other than to be hard-headed.
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