Half Life Alyx ending doesn't line up with half life 2 story

[SoNiC]

I just watched a gameplay footage of the ending of half life alyx where she saved her father from an advisor changing the ending of half life 2 episode 2 which is fine but then she get's hired by g-man against her will leaving her in stasis which means she shouldn't appear in half life 2 at all but she's is.

Now that being said the developer would have to rewrite the half life 2 story so it matches up otherwise the game series they made from half life 2 onwards becomes completely useless.

I think the developer had forgotten the half life 2 story when they did that part.

I wish there was a way to let the developers know about this stuff up.

So what are everyones thoughts on this???

[splinter3d]

Time travel is contradictory nonsense, it is illogical so the explanation is just impossible. But if you are OK with such crap like resurrection of Eli then you shouldn't bother with other trash of such writing.

[DRoseDARs]

Were those of you complaining now griping when the ending of Portal was retconed for Portal 2 where Chell, instead of being free originally, was instead dragged back in and placed back in stasis?

It's possible that, for a future game in the franchise, they want Eli alive past the events of HL2E2. The original ending was fraking brutal, everyone hated that. Not because we thought it was terrible writing, it was brilliant and emotionally impactful, but because we liked Eli and it broke our hearts to see Alyx lose her father right in front of her like that.

I'm just happy to have more story to flesh out the HL universe, that the franchise isn't dead and Steam is willing to produce more of it whenever they can herd enough cats together to work on it.

[Mars Murderer]

I think it's one of two things. Either one they're taking an Avengers Endgame approach to time travel, where the past of half life alyx split off into a different timeline when G Man traveled back in time, or at the end of Half Life 3 Alyx is sent back to the past so the events of half life 2 can occur, and if G man truly is a timeless being, G Man could no longer exist in past, present, or future, meaning the ending of half life alyx would never happen, and Eli would sacrifice his life in Half Life 3 to save Alyx by killing g man which would mean Alyx could never save Eli. now that I think about it, my second theory would be absolutely awesome. Eli killing G Man and in doing so giving his life to save his daughter would give so much more meaning to his death, and Half Life 3 would end with the ending of episode 2 once again, with alyx crying over Eli's dead body with Dog. It would be heart breaking, but in what universe would half life 3 not be absolutely depressing at at least some point

[Mars Murderer]

schnitzel eredeti hozzászólása:

I think it's one of two things. Either one they're taking an Avengers Endgame approach to time travel, where the past of half life alyx split off into a different timeline when G Man traveled back in time, or at the end of Half Life 3 Alyx is sent back to the past so the events of half life 2 can occur, and if G man truly is a timeless being, G Man could no longer exist in past, present, or future, meaning the ending of half life alyx would never happen, and Eli would sacrifice his life in Half Life 3 to save Alyx by killing g man which would mean Alyx could never save Eli. now that I think about it, my second theory would be absolutely awesome. Eli killing G Man and in doing so giving his life to save his daughter would give so much more meaning to his death, and Half Life 3 would end with the ending of episode 2 once again, with alyx crying over Eli's dead body with Dog. It would be heart breaking, but in what universe would half life 3 not be absolutely depressing at at least some point

or the more likely and imo more boring option, g man sent alyx back to the end of half life alyx with no memory of what just happened, and then grabbed her at the end of episode 2

[Kaamalauppias]

It'll obviously be explained in HL3.

[Dark Messiah]

Star Trucker eredeti hozzászólása:

The writing team at Valve is pretty darned good. I'm pretty sure they've put some thought into this. We just don't know the answer yet.

This made me chuckle, thanks. It still amazes me that people think Valve still has this grand plan for the story of HL series which they have been sitting on for the past decade.

There is no writing team in Valve anymore, all three main writers left the company 4 years ago. They were contracted to write Alyx because Valve wanted to make a VR game to sell Indexes, not because higher ups really cared about continuing the story of HL universe. As Gabe himself has said times and times again, it is about technological advances, not the games or stories.

[LemonyNebula]

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

As Gabe himself has said times and times again, it is about technological advances, not the games or stories.

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

[IanL]

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

As Gabe himself has said times and times again, it is about technological advances, not the games or stories.

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

Quite, this belief that people propagate (yes Splinter3D) that since the original writers are not on the Valve payroll there can never be any more HL games worth playing again. All that matters is the quality of the end content, not who or what went into it or what the underlying motivation was. It's an illusion to believe there is some pure morality underlying any of the gaming industry. Alyx is a quality VR game and most would agree a worthy addition to the HL franchise regardless of how it came about.

What made me chuckle more tbh was the OPs statement:

Nightwing eredeti hozzászólása:

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I think the developer had forgotten the half life 2 story when they did that part.

I wish there was a way to let the developers know about this stuff up.
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[Dark Messiah]

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

Of course it does, they are like Blizzard, when they make something they do it the best way possible.

IanL eredeti hozzászólása:

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

Quite, this belief that people propagate (yes Splinter3D) that since the original writers are not on the Valve payroll there can never be any more HL games worth playing again.

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

[splinter3d]

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

Of course it does, they are like Blizzard, when they make something they do it the best way possible.

IanL eredeti hozzászólása:

Quite, this belief that people propagate (yes Splinter3D) that since the original writers are not on the Valve payroll there can never be any more HL games worth playing again.

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

That is why I call valve artistic impotents.

[LemonyNebula]

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

I would argue, that Half Life never was about the story itself but everything about storytelling.

[splinter3d]

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

I would argue, that Half Life never was about the story itself but everything about storytelling.

Storytelling without good story is nonsene, And of course HL was always about good story. They why Valve made it in the first place.

[IanL]

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Then clearly it works if what they have released so far is indicative.

Of course it does, they are like Blizzard, when they make something they do it the best way possible.

IanL eredeti hozzászólása:

Quite, this belief that people propagate (yes Splinter3D) that since the original writers are not on the Valve payroll there can never be any more HL games worth playing again.

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

Yeah, I meant permanently on the payroll. Of course they can be hired as they were for Alyx, but I don't personally believe it has to be the same writers. Ideas can get stale in the same hands at times, sometimes it actually pays to get fresh blood in!

[IanL]

LemonyNebula eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark Messiah eredeti hozzászólása:

It probably will not be worth, or wont be as good if the original writers are not involved. Why do you think the main three were hired again to write Alyx?

The main thing you guys should probably make peace with, is that the mere HL universe or story is not, and will be not the driving force to continue the story, no matter how unfinished it was. HL3 will get released whenever Valve thinks they can do some sort of technogical advancements with it. It will not be for the story alone.

I would argue, that Half Life never was about the story itself but everything about storytelling.

Exactly, HL could and would have worked on multiple different story lines, it was more about how the story was delivered that made it stand out so much! Not taking away the fact that the story line was a good one, it did become a bit of a Science Fantasy classic.

[LemonyNebula]

IanL eredeti hozzászólása:

... Not taking away the fact that the story line was a good one, it did become a bit of a Science Fantasy classic.

Oh certainly.