Half-Life: Alyx

Half-Life: Alyx

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Chitties Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:26pm
20-30min game time results in computer restarting
Using oculus quest
used Link and wireless VR

Windows version: Windows 10 , 10.0, build: 18363
Hardware: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC., ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING
GPU: Asus ROG Poseidon Geforce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Platinum Edition
CPU: GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7900X CPU @ 3.30GHz Intel8664, level: 6
20 logical processors
RAM: 34016473088 bytes (31.7GB)
PSU: Corsair HXi Series HX1200i 80+ Platinum Certified

WhoCrashed (home edition)

On Sat 7/11/2020 5:27:19 PM your computer crashed or a problem was reported
crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\MEMORY.DMP
This was probably caused by the following module: pshed.dll (PSHED!PshedBugCheckSystem+0x10)
Bugcheck code: 0x124 (0x0, 0xFFFFC68AC34B7028, 0xF2000040, 0x5)
Error: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\pshed.dll
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: Platform Specific Hardware Error Driver
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a fatal hardware error has occurred. This bug check uses the error data that is provided by the Windows Hardware Error Architecture (WHEA).
This is likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
The crash took place in a Microsoft module. Your system configuration may be incorrect. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver on your system that cannot be identified at this time.



On Sat 7/11/2020 5:27:19 PM your computer crashed or a problem was reported
crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\071120-7859-01.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: hal.dll (hal+0x48188)
Bugcheck code: 0x124 (0x0, 0xFFFFC68AC34B7028, 0xF2000040, 0x5)
Error: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hal.dll
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: Hardware Abstraction Layer DLL
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a fatal hardware error has occurred. This bug check uses the error data that is provided by the Windows Hardware Error Architecture (WHEA).
This is likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.



On Sat 7/11/2020 5:24:58 PM your computer crashed or a problem was reported
crash dump file: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\071120-12093-01.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: hal.dll (hal+0x48188)
Bugcheck code: 0x124 (0x0, 0xFFFFDF0E982C8028, 0xF2000040, 0x5)
Error: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
file path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hal.dll
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: Hardware Abstraction Layer DLL
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a fatal hardware error has occurred. This bug check uses the error data that is provided by the Windows Hardware Error Architecture (WHEA).
This is likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.



Im not sure how to fix the issue. Im pretty sure my hardware is okay, I built this computer mid 2018. Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
Last edited by Chitties; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:07pm
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Yaboul Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:41pm 
Simply because the game makes your PC overheats so you get a BSOD restart as a result of GPU/CPU going too hot. I'm using an area51m with i9/2080RTX and after 1 hour or so of gameplay it gets capped to 24 frames per second as the result of the laptop being massively hot. It's just the way it is on gaming laptops unfortunately.
Chitties Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:44pm 
What should i do at this point? Return the game? Is there a fix?
Super Bambaspis Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:07pm 
A lot of people came to the forums with full hardware crashes like this. The causes have ranged from dying or underspeced PSU's, overheating GPU's & improperly powered GPU's.

Alyx draws more power than probably any other game that you play, and your logs indicate a hardware problem. Playing Alyx will push your system to limits it wont even reach using stress testing hardware (As stress testing is usually only CPU or GPU, while alyx makes full use of both). So if you have a hardware issue, Alyx is going to highlight it. Not only does it cause high power draw, from it's excellent use of resources, this draw is also sustained (especially the GPU, but also the CPU).

As you probably know, a set time until a hardware crash strongly points to a temperature related crash. Alyx will test the limits of your thermal solutions. The first thing to check is your GPU while you play, as GPU is often pegged at or around the max power draw of your GPU due to Automatic SS. GPU-Z will allow your to log your temp data as you play, so if you crash you can restart and see the final readings.

I'm going to assume that you use that CPU in workstation tasks, with it 100% pegged, so I assume that you know that it's stable without overheating.

Now, I know that's a beefy PSU with a high capacity. And a platinum rating, nice. You wont be surpassing that capacity, as you know, but that model came out quite a long time ago. Have you been using it for a long time? Even great PSU's reach their end of life. As a PSU heats up it gets less stable, and if you're using a PSU that's reaching the end of it's life then that will only make the issue worse. As Alyx pushes hard against your PSU, and it heats up, it could be delivering unstable power causing your restart - the first signs of a dying PSU.

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If you are still skeptical that it's hardware, which is understandable, you can easily put it to the test. Add this to your games launch options via the games properties in your steam library:

-console -vconsole +vr_fidelity_level_auto 0

This will disable the auto resolution scaling, as having it on causes your GPU to constantly draw power like never before. If it's a PSU or GPU issue, disabling this auto resolution scaling should stop your crashing. Just make certain that your resolution scaling is set manual and 1.0 in steams settings to ensure that you are rendering the game in your headsets native resolution. (Edit: Of course you can increase from 1.0 after you see the game is stable, just don't go too high).
Last edited by Super Bambaspis; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:11pm
Super Bambaspis Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:10pm 
Originally posted by Yaboul:
Simply because the game makes your PC overheats so you get a BSOD restart as a result of GPU/CPU going too hot. I'm using an area51m with i9/2080RTX and after 1 hour or so of gameplay it gets capped to 24 frames per second as the result of the laptop being massively hot. It's just the way it is on gaming laptops unfortunately.

You just need to disable the auto SS that the game uses, it will take tremendous pressure off your GPU. Without doing that, the game ignores your usual SS settings and runs your GPU at max to improve image quality through hiking the SS way up - After you have disabled it, with the above launch options, if you change the SS manually make sure that you restart the game. SS changes only take effect if they are in place when the game launches.

Edit: the launch options again:

-console -vconsole +vr_fidelity_level_auto 0

Additionally make sure that your manual SS settings in steam settings are sensible and don't cause too much heat.
Last edited by Super Bambaspis; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:14pm
Chitties Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:18pm 
Originally posted by Bilbo Laggins:
A lot of people came to the forums with full hardware crashes like this. The causes have ranged from dying or underspeced PSU's, overheating GPU's & improperly powered GPU's.

Alyx draws more power than probably any other game that you play, and your logs indicate a hardware problem. Playing Alyx will push your system to limits it wont even reach using stress testing hardware (As stress testing is usually only CPU or GPU, while alyx makes full use of both). So if you have a hardware issue, Alyx is going to highlight it. Not only does it cause high power draw, from it's excellent use of resources, this draw is also sustained (especially the GPU, but also the CPU).

As you probably know, a set time until a hardware crash strongly points to a temperature related crash. Alyx will test the limits of your thermal solutions. The first thing to check is your GPU while you play, as GPU is often pegged at or around the max power draw of your GPU due to Automatic SS. GPU-Z will allow your to log your temp data as you play, so if you crash you can restart and see the final readings.

I'm going to assume that you use that CPU in workstation tasks, with it 100% pegged, so I assume that you know that it's stable without overheating.

Now, I know that's a beefy PSU with a high capacity. And a platinum rating, nice. You wont be surpassing that capacity, as you know, but that model came out quite a long time ago. Have you been using it for a long time? Even great PSU's reach their end of life. As a PSU heats up it gets less stable, and if you're using a PSU that's reaching the end of it's life then that will only make the issue worse. As Alyx pushes hard against your PSU, and it heats up, it could be delivering unstable power causing your restart - the first signs of a dying PSU.

******

If you are still skeptical that it's hardware, which is understandable, you can easily put it to the test. Add this to your games launch options via the games properties in your steam library:

-console -vconsole +vr_fidelity_level_auto 0

This will disable the auto resolution scaling, as having it on causes your GPU to constantly draw power like never before. If it's a PSU or GPU issue, disabling this auto resolution scaling should stop your crashing. Just make certain that your resolution scaling is set manual and 1.0 in steams settings to ensure that you are rendering the game in your headsets native resolution.

Thank you very much Bilbo for your detailed response, and providing a possible solution. To answer your question regarding how long I had the PSU, I had purchased all the computer components (including the PSU) April of 2018 and assembled early June of 2018 (So about 2 years). As you may already know the PSU should be good up to 5 years give or take. Regardless, I hope your solution remedies the problem. Im wondering if I should just return the game if its going to be a continuous problem or wait to see if future updates for the game will solve the issue?
Super Bambaspis Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:28pm 
Updates won't help, sorry, as it's only the games rare and excellent ability to use your full system resources that is causing this problem for you.

In all likelihood it's just highlighted an existing issue in your system that would be best to identify. It will be a continuous problem with the game, unfortunately. At least until you can identify what is going wrong with your system.

Return the game if you don't want to, or can't, find the issue with your system that is causing the restarts. Otherwise figure out what's up, fix it, and enjoy the game.

One thing: Are you certain that ALL of your GPU's power cables are connected? Many GPU's don't require that, and only have the a second optional socket for overclocking and extreme draw - however, Alyx requires that your GPU is fully powered. So, if they aren't all plugged in (firmly) then that is most likely your problem (though it does still look like it's temperature related, so it would be surprising if this was your problem).
Last edited by Super Bambaspis; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:30pm
Chitties Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by Bilbo Laggins:
Updates won't help, sorry, as it's only the games rare and excellent ability to use your full system resources that is causing this problem for you.

In all likelihood it's just highlighted an existing issue in your system that would be best to identify. It will be a continuous problem with the game, unfortunately. At least until you can identify what is going wrong with your system.

Return the game if you don't want to, or can't, find the issue with your system that is causing the restarts. Otherwise figure out what's up, fix it, and enjoy the game.

One thing: Are you certain that ALL of your GPU's power cables are connected? Many GPU's don't require that, and only have the a second optional socket for overclocking and extreme draw - however, Alyx requires that your GPU is fully powered. So, if they aren't all plugged in (firmly) then that is most likely your problem.

I wont throw in the towel yet and dig into the issue further. I was planning to clean the computer anyways so ill double check the wires and make the suggested adjustment through the steam library. Thank you again for setting time aside to help me out its much appreciated.
Super Bambaspis Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:39pm 
No problem, and good luck!
Last edited by Super Bambaspis; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:39pm
Install Open hardware monitor or HWMONITOR and turn on logging, log your CPU/GPU temps. If the crash happens and your temps are really high, that's the reason. You need to upgrade your cooling or simply clean out your computer if it hasn't been done in a while.
Chitties Jul 11, 2020 @ 10:18pm 
Originally posted by {Tea~n~Biscuits} Rule Britannia!:
Install Open hardware monitor or HWMONITOR and turn on logging, log your CPU/GPU temps. If the crash happens and your temps are really high, that's the reason. You need to upgrade your cooling or simply clean out your computer if it hasn't been done in a while.

Thank you Tea, I'll do that as well. I currently have a cooler master cosmos c700p (case), which id hope would eliminate heat build up especially with 7 fans. Im looking into liquid cooling, but was hoping to do that maybe when I upgrade to 64g of ram and a 2080ti at a later date. How im seeing it if the suggested fixes do not solve my problem then i'll have to expedite my plans or return the game.
Ryuku Jul 11, 2020 @ 10:40pm 
Paired with hardware monitoring, you can use benchmark software like 3DMark and memtest to individually test components to see where the problem actually is. Keep an eye on the monitoring software for heat issues, power draw and voltages while running benchmarks.

If heat turns out not to be the issue, it can still be quite a fair bit. Driver issues, failing hardware and overclocking to name a couple.

You can eliminate driver issues by ensuring your drivers are up to date, along with testing older versions.

You can eliminate overclocking issues by disabling overclocks. CPU doesn't appear to be overclocked, though. Can't say given the information provided about your GPU and RAM.

The best way to determine if it's failing hardware is to try other parts, or try the parts in another compatible PC. But, if it's not heat issues, driver issues or overclocking issues, you've probably got a failing part.

If it turns out to be heat issues and the PC is clean, check your airflow setup, fan settings and ensure the PC is able to breathe. Don't forget you can always underclock to reduce heat. You'll probably find you can get away with lower voltages than what you're currently running without losing any performance. Keeping a side off the case can also help with heat issues. You may need to clean and apply new thermal paste.
kerminater Jul 11, 2020 @ 11:11pm 
Install FPSVR you can monitor your temps in game to see if they are spiking
Chitties Jul 12, 2020 @ 3:44pm 
Unfortunately I returned the game. I utilized all the suggestions provided and after about an hour the computer did another restart. Ill have to consider upgrading my computer before considering playing the game again. Ill finish the game by watching a walk through on Youtube. Thank you everyone for taking the time to try and help me out.
Chitties Jul 12, 2020 @ 4:02pm 
I also ran a 3dmark test and this was the result with the recommended time spy

Graphics adapter

GPU NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 TiMemory11264MB GDDR5XBus interfacePCIe x16 3.0 Code nameGP102ManufacturerNVIDIA / ASUSManufacturing process16 nmDriver version27.21.14.5167Clock frequency1962 MHz (1595 MHz)Average clock frequency 1899 MHzMemory clock frequency1377 MHz (1376 MHz)Average memory clock frequency 1367 MHzAverage temperature 81 °C
Display 1\\.\DISPLAY1 (3840 × 2160, 300% DPI scaling)

Processor

CPU Intel Core i9-7900XCode nameSkylake-XClock frequency4562 MHz (3300 MHz)Average clock frequency 4507 MHzAverage temperature 95 °C Cores10 (20)PackageSocket 2066 LGAInstructionsMMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE41 SSE42 X86_64 NX VMX Manufacturing process14 nmCore VID0.943848 VMax Cache Level3Hyper ThreadingYesVirtual TechnologyYes

General

MotherboardASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX X299-E GAMINGNorth bridgeIntel X299Total memory32768 MB
Module 18192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 28192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 38192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 48192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
BIOSAmerican Megatrends Inc. 03/07/2018 Operating systemWindows 10 64-bit
Total storage2388.48 GB
Drive 1Samsung SSD 960 PRO 1TB (976.76 GB)
Drive 2OCZ-TRION100 (457.86 GB)
Drive 3Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB (953.87 GB)
Time2020-07-12 15:47 -07:00
zacharyb Jul 12, 2020 @ 4:15pm 
Originally posted by Sterben:
I also ran a 3dmark test and this was the result with the recommended time spy

Graphics adapter

GPU NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 TiMemory11264MB GDDR5XBus interfacePCIe x16 3.0 Code nameGP102ManufacturerNVIDIA / ASUSManufacturing process16 nmDriver version27.21.14.5167Clock frequency1962 MHz (1595 MHz)Average clock frequency 1899 MHzMemory clock frequency1377 MHz (1376 MHz)Average memory clock frequency 1367 MHzAverage temperature 81 °C
Display 1\\.\DISPLAY1 (3840 × 2160, 300% DPI scaling)

Processor

CPU Intel Core i9-7900XCode nameSkylake-XClock frequency4562 MHz (3300 MHz)Average clock frequency 4507 MHzAverage temperature 95 °C Cores10 (20)PackageSocket 2066 LGAInstructionsMMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE41 SSE42 X86_64 NX VMX Manufacturing process14 nmCore VID0.943848 VMax Cache Level3Hyper ThreadingYesVirtual TechnologyYes

General

MotherboardASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX X299-E GAMINGNorth bridgeIntel X299Total memory32768 MB
Module 18192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 28192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 38192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
Module 48192 MB DDR4
@ 3002 MHz DDR
BIOSAmerican Megatrends Inc. 03/07/2018 Operating systemWindows 10 64-bit
Total storage2388.48 GB
Drive 1Samsung SSD 960 PRO 1TB (976.76 GB)
Drive 2OCZ-TRION100 (457.86 GB)
Drive 3Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB (953.87 GB)
Time2020-07-12 15:47 -07:00

Your CPU likely got to such a high temperature that to protect itself from damage it completely shut down your computer. You'll definitely want to fix that problem because getting that high of a temperature, especially on a CPU is not good.
Last edited by zacharyb; Jul 12, 2020 @ 4:21pm
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