Half-Life: Alyx
HL Alyx = Diablo Immortal
There is nothing wrong with having Diablo on a phone or tablet.
In fact, it's pretty badass. It looks cool, is well animated, likely is heaps of fun and will probably turn the mobile market upside down.

The outrage for Immortal wasn't because people hated it or because nobody 'gets' mobile gaming.
It's because Blizzard have starved their fanbase for a proper Diablo entry. If Diablo Immortal was announced alongside Diablo 4, there would be no uproar.



The exact same thing applies to Half-Life: Alyx.
Yes it looks great. Yes it's Half-life. Yes it is very likely to revolutionize VR gaming and get more people to use VR.
But the audience has been STARVED for closure after a cliffhanger and a 12 year wait with empty promises and silence.


Half-Life isn't only about the technology of the game. It's about a fantastic world and a fantastic lore. And it's disrespectful to said lore, the writers who built it, the fans who liked it and the legacy that came out of it to just drop it dead, ignore it and then say people are 'salty' for no good reason.


And before the 'you just don't get it, VR is the future' comments start rolling in:
- I own a VR headset.
- I s**t my pants the first time I tried one and immediately ordered one for myself over 2 years ago.
- I drool over the technology and annoy my friends telling them how fantastic it is and how much can be done with it.
- I applaud every dev bold enough to venture into VR and support them with my wallet.

So don't start giving me bs about me 'not getting it'. I get it.
Do YOU get why the fanbase is upset though?
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon:
Автор сообщения: Keychain
they just want to inovate and they got half-life to do so without having to make someting entirely new... so they went the star wars way with the episodes... imo... Thats why i just hope Half-Life 3 wont be VR only hehe :steamhappy:
VR and flat screen are two different mediums. Not a replacement. And we still in dire need for a new flat screen Half-Life. So maybe, one day. Hopefully PC-only. :critterbig:
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Автор сообщения: KaziuWichura
poor pleb alert!
I have a VR headset. I will play Alyx. Will you?
Doesn't change that it should not have been this

Автор сообщения: Lord Touch Me
Thank you. I’ll probably get a VR handset myself if I manage to get a powerful enough PC running by March
I managed to get relatively demanding VR games like Arktika 1 (basically Metro VR), Elite Dangerous and Robo Recall running smoothly on a friend's i5-6400T GTX1060 16RAM mini PC.

Of course I'd recommend as high specs as you can afford, but it's doable.

Автор сообщения: Lord Touch Me
But Valve are essentially twisting my arms at this point and I don’t like that at all. I don’t like it being a VR prequel and them saying the future of HL depends on how well this game will be received, taking the series hostage.
You know I sometimes think/hope there's a publicity stunt in all of this, and they're secretly making the proper mainline HL game with Freeman for PC. It would make sense. It would be awesome.

But holy s*** can 12 years of waiting take a toll on one's hope
Отредактировано Bullett00th; 23 ноя. 2019 г. в 5:42
Автор сообщения: Mixon
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Most PC games are crap. Until very recently, most PC games were riddled with microtransactions and loot boxes. So yes, your description applies to PC gaming. Mobile gaming is real gaming, you're just elitist about it.
You having a chuckle in there mister?

Half-Life Alyx is the exact opposite of Diablo Immortal.
Die hard fans were the vocal minority for Diablo, while majority of the users were catered to (because they do have phones)
Here die hard fans are finally satisfied with Valve, while vocal majority of the users aren't catered to (because they don't have VR)

If you don't see it, you deserve to be left out of fun while big dogs like myself will be enjoying the first Half-Life game in 12 years, the way it was meant to be played. On Valve™ Index™.
Er, I have VR and have for several years. You appear to be replying to the wrong person.
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Most PC games are crap. Until very recently, most PC games were riddled with microtransactions and loot boxes. So yes, your description applies to PC gaming.

Mobile gaming is real gaming, you're just elitist about it.
So you've went with rejection. Fun part is that you don't actually care about mobile gaming, only to label others "elitists".
No idea what you're gibbering about rejection for.

Er, no you don't get to say what I do and do not care about, and I'll call people who are being elitist as precisely that.
i get that the fan base is upset though, but the thing is they want hl3 or ep 3.
Автор сообщения: KaziuWichura
poor pleb alert!
Just get money argument uwu
Автор сообщения: Lord Touch Me
Thank you. I’ll probably get a VR handset myself if I manage to get a powerful enough PC running by March. But Valve are essentially twisting my arms at this point and I don’t like that at all.

They, don't actually handling it right. Alyx doesn't progress mainline plot. It's a side story.

Автор сообщения: Lord Touch Me
I don’t like it being a VR prequel and them saying the future of HL depends on how well this game will be received, taking the series hostage.
That's game "journalism" for you. Why Valve doesn't like to speak publicly all these years.
That phrase has been taken out of context. They've not been saying that future of HL depends on HL:A. They've been actually talking about emotional aspect of how they feel about Half Life series development.
Thankfully we live in an age of fast internet and youtube. You can watch full interview here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9K0eJEmMEw

Also, by no means future of Half Life series depends on success of Alyx. Valve have very stable financial position, and won't be constrained financially even if HL:A would tank badly. They now develop out of passion and what they see as important/interesting, having full artistic freedom. To weight this one I can reffer you to the video I've linked when they are saying how much Half Life concepts and projects they put in the backburner over the years. It's not about success and overwhelming support, but about making good game/best game they can.

Surelly it would be bad and frustrating for them if HL:A would fail. But it won't put an end to Half Life series as a whole.

Also, knowing how Valve handling things Alyx should be at last a descent game. Otherwise it would've never been greelighted. Remember original HL and HL 2 development process. How original versions been cancelled.
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
So you've went with rejection. Fun part is that you don't actually care about mobile gaming, only to label others "elitists".
No idea what you're gibbering about rejection for.

Er, no you don't get to say what I do and do not care about, and I'll call people who are being elitist as precisely that.
I'm afraid you fell victim of modern popular shaming culture. There is nothing elitist in what I've said.
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
No idea what you're gibbering about rejection for.

Er, no you don't get to say what I do and do not care about, and I'll call people who are being elitist as precisely that.
I'm afraid you fell victim of modern popular shaming culture. There is nothing elitist in what I've said.
Erm, not a victim and I'm not the one shaming anyone. You are. By being elitist.
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
I'm afraid you fell victim of modern popular shaming culture. There is nothing elitist in what I've said.
Erm, not a victim and I'm not the one shaming anyone. You are. By being elitist.
Do you even know what elitism actually means?
I have a doubt about that.
Отредактировано rusty_dragon; 23 ноя. 2019 г. в 12:50
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Erm, not a victim and I'm not the one shaming anyone. You are. By being elitist.
Do you even know what elitism actually means?
I have a doubt about that.
Er, yes. Do you? You literally described a segment of gaming as not real gaming. It's a statement of superiority over another medium you find lesser. That's literally the definition of elitism.
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
Do you even know what elitism actually means?
I have a doubt about that.
Er, yes. Do you? You literally described a segment of gaming as not real gaming. It's a statement of superiority over another medium you find lesser. That's literally the definition of elitism.
How you condemn me for the form I've used, not things I've been talking about is by definition shaming culture.

Because you don't care what I've actually said. You absolutely ignore it. Instead you trigger on "bad" words, and attack me personally. This approach is also a main issue and flaw of shaming culture logic. Because it replaces actual cause of humanism, and being humane with dull outrage cargo cult that is pursuing only illusionary form of "bad words", instead of actual values of humanism.

Fun fact is that I've actually said nothing elitist. Contrarily, I've been pointing how awful mainstream mobile gaming is. And by making example of myself not accepting mobile as real gaming I was trying to show a way how you can keep awfulness of mobile phone gaming out of your life. Not accepting it's existence is a way to protest that flawed and horribly ill system.

Because I do wish good for those who never seen better, who think mobile gaming with all it's scum is what video gaming is about.

Mobile gaming could've been better, and there were bright expectitions for it when it has started back in the end of 00s/early 10s. For it to replace mobile consoles and make mobile gaming free and universal. But instead it turned into a total grim failure, a rotting corpse being abused by all sorts of parasytes. I always had warm place in my heart for miniature portable computing device. It always was and still feels like magic for me. But practically it's a big failure.

There are no solid platform, ready device offers and streamlined experience there. If you want to have actually good and enjoyable gaming on mobile you mod hell out of your phone or tablet to play PC ports or gaming classics with emulators.
Отредактировано rusty_dragon; 23 ноя. 2019 г. в 13:31
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Er, yes. Do you? You literally described a segment of gaming as not real gaming. It's a statement of superiority over another medium you find lesser. That's literally the definition of elitism.
How you condemn me for the form I've used, not things I've been talking about is by definition shaming culture.

Because you don't care what I've actually said. You absolutely ignore it. Instead you trigger on "bad" words, and attack me personally. This approach is also a main issue and flaw of shaming culture logic. Because it replaces actual cause of humanism, and being humane with dull outrage cargo cult that is pursuing only illusionary form of "bad words", instead of actual values of humanism.

Fun fact is that I've actually said nothing elitist. Contrarily, I've been pointing how awful mainstream mobile gaming is. And by making example of myself not accepting mobile as real gaming I was trying to show a way how you can keep awfulness of mobile phone gaming out of your life. Not accepting it's existence is a way to protest that flawed and horribly ill system.

Because I do wish good for those who never seen better, who think mobile gaming with all it's scum is what video gaming is about.

Mobile gaming could've been better, and there were bright expectitions for it when it has started back in the end of 00s/early 10s. For it to replace mobile consoles and make mobile gaming free and universal. But instead it turned into a total grim failure, a rotting corpse being abused by all sorts of parasytes. I always had warm place in my heart for miniature portable computing device. It always was and still feels like magic for me. But practically it's a big failure.

There are no solid platform, ready device offers and streamlined experience there. If you want to have actually good and enjoyable gaming on mobile you mod hell out of your phone or tablet to play PC ports or gaming classics with emulators.
Again, you don't get to tell me what I care about. I've gamed on mobile.

And you literally said it isn't real gaming, so your 'fun fact' is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Valve knew people would be angry about this game, but that's kind of the point. VR needs a huge name to get people to notice it. Stormlands, Asgard's Wrath, Lone Echo, all great VR games, and they got next to zero mainstream coverage. People assume VR is dying because they don't see any news about it, or willfully ignore it because there aren't any major franchises attached.

This is the game that gets their attention. It HAS to be a game people are starved for. If they released two versions of it, the VR one would fade into obscurity before it even launched. Valve is about the only company on EARTH that can weather the storm of rage without having to answer to stockholders. The game will get review bombed on Metacritic by a tsunami of people who haven't played it.

Maybe someday Valve will give us all a conclusion to the series, and I'm betting it won't require VR. I'm as cranky as anyone else about them leaving the series on a cliffhanger.

Just keep in mind, this was literally the ONLY way to get people to pay attention to VR, and Valve WILL lose money on the game itself.
Автор сообщения: Aldaris
Автор сообщения: rusty_dragon
How you condemn me for the form I've used, not things I've been talking about is by definition shaming culture.

Because you don't care what I've actually said. You absolutely ignore it. Instead you trigger on "bad" words, and attack me personally. This approach is also a main issue and flaw of shaming culture logic. Because it replaces actual cause of humanism, and being humane with dull outrage cargo cult that is pursuing only illusionary form of "bad words", instead of actual values of humanism.

Fun fact is that I've actually said nothing elitist. Contrarily, I've been pointing how awful mainstream mobile gaming is. And by making example of myself not accepting mobile as real gaming I was trying to show a way how you can keep awfulness of mobile phone gaming out of your life. Not accepting it's existence is a way to protest that flawed and horribly ill system.

Because I do wish good for those who never seen better, who think mobile gaming with all it's scum is what video gaming is about.

Mobile gaming could've been better, and there were bright expectitions for it when it has started back in the end of 00s/early 10s. For it to replace mobile consoles and make mobile gaming free and universal. But instead it turned into a total grim failure, a rotting corpse being abused by all sorts of parasytes. I always had warm place in my heart for miniature portable computing device. It always was and still feels like magic for me. But practically it's a big failure.

There are no solid platform, ready device offers and streamlined experience there. If you want to have actually good and enjoyable gaming on mobile you mod hell out of your phone or tablet to play PC ports or gaming classics with emulators.
Again, you don't get to tell me what I care about. I've gamed on mobile.

And you literally said it isn't real gaming, so your 'fun fact' is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
That is the problem with shaming culture. You don't want to actually listen to other people, nor care about what they are actually saying.

Which makes you an easy subject of manipulation, a perfect tool in the hands of those who actually destroy civil liberties and humane society.

Denying other people in being listened and heard is equal to denying them being human. If one can't talk for himself and be heard, you can blame him is anything: fascist, sexist, racist.. etc. And to paint someone black is easy and simple like newer: in the climate of outrage, by using powers of mass media.

I know, you won't listen anyway. But maybe you would understand this disastrous flaw in the logic in the future, and my words would still lend some help.
Автор сообщения: Areebob
Valve knew people would be angry about this game, but that's kind of the point. VR needs a huge name to get people to notice it. Stormlands, Asgard's Wrath, Lone Echo, all great VR games, and they got next to zero mainstream coverage. People assume VR is dying because they don't see any news about it, or willfully ignore it because there aren't any major franchises attached.

This is the game that gets their attention. It HAS to be a game people are starved for. If they released two versions of it, the VR one would fade into obscurity before it even launched. Valve is about the only company on EARTH that can weather the storm of rage without having to answer to stockholders. The game will get review bombed on Metacritic by a tsunami of people who haven't played it.

Maybe someday Valve will give us all a conclusion to the series, and I'm betting it won't require VR. I'm as cranky as anyone else about them leaving the series on a cliffhanger.

Just keep in mind, this was literally the ONLY way to get people to pay attention to VR, and Valve WILL lose money on the game itself.
It's technically impossible to make flat screen version of it. Gameplay and game design is not transferable between mediums.

And HLVR is not the only way of getting people's attention to VR. There is no drama here, man. :D It's just a natural step of developing platform to make AAA games for it. Honestly HLVR should've been prepared for consumer VR release and shipped with Vive back in 2016. But many factors led to this not happening(like Facebook rushing Oculus release a year earlier to undercut Valve), which turned first 3 years of consumer VR into a slowburner hanging in the void with no directions. But it was great and fun nontheless.
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