Season 2 I think we all know what we want -- a second go at the Second Cylon War

[gmuir77]

What if the Baltar backdoor didn't work and the Cylons jumped in on a prepared colonial fleet? If you think about it logically, if the Cylons had the humans outnumbered there would be no need for a sneak attack. They had to do this because they didn't have the numbers to win a slugging match -- or, if they did, it would have been at a terrible cost.

So, the sneak attack fails and we get to see Deadlock redux with the modern ships.

[Sabaithal]

That would be pretty cool, yeah.

[Supreme Doge]

Originally posted by gmuir77:

What if the Baltar backdoor didn't work and the Cylons jumped in on a prepared colonial fleet? If you think about it logically, if the Cylons had the humans outnumbered there would be no need for a sneak attack. They had to do this because they didn't have the numbers to win a slugging match -- or, if they did, it would have been at a terrible cost.

So, the sneak attack fails and we get to see Deadlock redux with the modern ships.

I do think that there is definitely potential for an Exodus-style game or an alternate take on the 2nd Cylon war, in which the colonial fleet isn't brought down by cyberattacks.

That being said, spoilers for RDM series - all of this has happened before and will happen again

[Failed Experiment]

The idea itself isn't bad, but I don't think it would be entertaining to fight against one class of warship (which is on top of that very poorly designed warship) and two types of fighters over and over again, all you would have to do would be to bring few battlestars, put them in line, launch , put battlestars in line, spam flak and shoot guns on basestars, that are unable to do anything with their missiles, that's all gameplay there would be in every battle.
I must admit it would be cool to have Mk. VIIs and valkyrie-class battlestars though.

[gmuir77]

You don't have to remain strictly canon that way. If you look at what most IP-licensed games do, they will create more plausible ship types to round out fleets and keep things interesting. There's tabletop games based on the original BSG series and they've come up with fleets of Cylon support ships. http://starfightershipyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BSG-TM-ships.jpg

If you recall the early days of Trek, there were few canon screen Federation ships and the RPG's and secondary material invented a lot of plausible ships.

If we run with the scenario outlined above, there's a whole fleet of ships the Colonials would still have if they weren't all destroyed.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BiB7PerCBhU/U0dt83QfMII/AAAAAAAACZQ/poZBdaI9AqI/s1600/diffbattlestars.jpg

The Cylons may have used the modern basestars for the sneak attack but we can imagine that they can spin up different ship classes as they realize the quick, decisive war is not going to wrok so well. So you'd see the modern basestars and then have the fleet expand to include smaller, easier to produce ships to fill in the gaps.

[gmuir77]

The other thing to consider is that the 2nd war era Basestars seem to be deliberately one-trick ponies. They are missile and raider spammers and are not meant for a long fight. It pretty much seems like they were designed around the entire premise of the sneak attack and were not meant for use against a prepared opponent. Tremendous firepower but sort of glass cannons.

[lytleclan]

I doubt that they have the IP for 2nd Cylon War materials, only 1st Cylon War materials.

[gmuir77]

Originally posted by lytleclan:

I doubt that they have the IP for 2nd Cylon War materials, only 1st Cylon War materials.

At a certain point they didn't have the IP for any BSG material. So it's possible they could obtain it.

[Spartan Delta 27]

The Viper MK VII's and Mercury Class Battlestars are two of my favorite types of ship in the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. It would be cool to see those in action and pit them against hopeless Cylon Fleets in skirmish, but it would probably take alot of effort to set up a new campaign or game mode that does justice to the complexity of the Colonial Fleet at the time.

In any case, it definitely sounds like it would be fun. Although I am sure that whatever they have planned for Season Two will be a fine addition to Deadlock

[Napolavion]

Originally posted by gmuir77:

What if the Baltar backdoor didn't work and the Cylons jumped in on a prepared colonial fleet? If you think about it logically, if the Cylons had the humans outnumbered there would be no need for a sneak attack. They had to do this because they didn't have the numbers to win a slugging match -- or, if they did, it would have been at a terrible cost.

So, the sneak attack fails and we get to see Deadlock redux with the modern ships.

You don't even need an alternative universe story, if a big quarter of the colonial fleet was destroyed on the first wave there still was some fights with the remains of the colonial fleet.

They still lost but you could build a pretty solid story on these days of fights that happened as a last stand for the twelve colonies.

It will be fair to assume that, if the cylon launched some mobile basestars to hunt the galactica they would have send their main ships :basestars but there you could imagine more older cylon ships or dozen of more specialized ones to put an end on the entire colonial flleet where extreme range and mobility of the basestar wasn't required as they're not to be sent across the universe.

So I think that there is space in that little frame to draw a story about a bitter fight over the survival of the human civilisation.

An alternative story is still possible but I just wanted to say that you don't even have to.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Eicio:

Originally posted by gmuir77:

What if the Baltar backdoor didn't work and the Cylons jumped in on a prepared colonial fleet? If you think about it logically, if the Cylons had the humans outnumbered there would be no need for a sneak attack. They had to do this because they didn't have the numbers to win a slugging match -- or, if they did, it would have been at a terrible cost.

So, the sneak attack fails and we get to see Deadlock redux with the modern ships.

You don't even need an alternative universe story, if a big quarter of the colonial fleet was destroyed on the first wave there still was some fights with the remains of the colonial fleet.

They still lost but you could build a pretty solid story on these days of fights that happened as a last stand for the twelve colonies.

It will be fair to assume that, if the cylon launched some mobile basestars to hunt the galactica they would have send their main ships :basestars but there you could imagine more older cylon ships or dozen of more specialized ones to put an end on the entire colonial flleet where extreme range and mobility of the basestar wasn't required as they're not to be sent across the universe.

So I think that there is space in that little frame to draw a story about a bitter fight over the survival of the human civilisation.

An alternative story is still possible but I just wanted to say that you don't even have to.

The problem being, the colonial fleet lost specifically because of the Baltar backdoor, which gave the cylons access to the military codes required to disable every colonial ship, leaving them dead in space and prime for attack.

Wouldn't exactly be very eventful if at the beginning of every battle an EMP went off knocking out all your ships (as in, everything, they're dead in the water), then watched all your ships get blown up without being able to do anything.

[Napolavion]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Eicio:

You don't even need an alternative universe story, if a big quarter of the colonial fleet was destroyed on the first wave there still was some fights with the remains of the colonial fleet.

They still lost but you could build a pretty solid story on these days of fights that happened as a last stand for the twelve colonies.

It will be fair to assume that, if the cylon launched some mobile basestars to hunt the galactica they would have send their main ships :basestars but there you could imagine more older cylon ships or dozen of more specialized ones to put an end on the entire colonial flleet where extreme range and mobility of the basestar wasn't required as they're not to be sent across the universe.

So I think that there is space in that little frame to draw a story about a bitter fight over the survival of the human civilisation.

An alternative story is still possible but I just wanted to say that you don't even have to.

The problem being, the colonial fleet lost specifically because of the Baltar backdoor, which gave the cylons access to the military codes required to disable every colonial ship, leaving them dead in space and prime for attack.

Wouldn't exactly be very eventful if at the beginning of every battle an EMP went off knocking out all your ships (as in, everything, they're dead in the water), then watched all your ships get blown up without being able to do anything.

Yeah I checked it out and if "only" a quarter was lost on the first attack, which is quite plausible, the wiki also says that:

"Admiral Nagala took personal command of the Colonial Fleet and ordered all ships to rendezvous in preparation of a counteroffensive, expecting to use strength-in-numbers. At the Battle of Virgon, Admiral Nagala's force of up to ninety Battlestars engaged the Cylons, with Battlestars Atlantia; Columbia; Solaria and Triton among them. The battle was a catastrophic failure, as the CNP hack was still not made aware and no explanation could be given for the frequently-reported computer failures"

I believe that this is absolutely not realistic, it would be much better if the fleet was defeated after several battles for a glorious last stand, affter disabling the computers of course.

So... well I side for the alternative story now I guess...

[Sabaithal]

Not realistic? Well, when the ships cannot move, at all, because all the computer systems, ALL OF THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS, are locked down, there isn't much you can do.

[Napolavion]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Not realistic? Well, when the ships cannot move, at all, because all the computer systems, ALL OF THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS, are locked down, there isn't much you can do.

The cylon didn't kill every one on the first run so yes, it's unrealistic that they didn't overcome this virus problem.

If they were all caught at once ok, if they had some time to think about what just happened, especially since the tactic used by the cylon was the same as the one they used 40 years earlier yes, that's unrealistic.

[Fister Roboto]

Give us the Valkyrie-Class first.

[gmuir77]

Originally posted by Eicio:

Originally posted by gmuir77:

What if the Baltar backdoor didn't work and the Cylons jumped in on a prepared colonial fleet? If you think about it logically, if the Cylons had the humans outnumbered there would be no need for a sneak attack. They had to do this because they didn't have the numbers to win a slugging match -- or, if they did, it would have been at a terrible cost.

So, the sneak attack fails and we get to see Deadlock redux with the modern ships.

You don't even need an alternative universe story, if a big quarter of the colonial fleet was destroyed on the first wave there still was some fights with the remains of the colonial fleet.

They still lost but you could build a pretty solid story on these days of fights that happened as a last stand for the twelve colonies.

It will be fair to assume that, if the cylon launched some mobile basestars to hunt the galactica they would have send their main ships :basestars but there you could imagine more older cylon ships or dozen of more specialized ones to put an end on the entire colonial flleet where extreme range and mobility of the basestar wasn't required as they're not to be sent across the universe.

So I think that there is space in that little frame to draw a story about a bitter fight over the survival of the human civilisation.

An alternative story is still possible but I just wanted to say that you don't even have to.

My problem with this scenario is that the colonies collapsed fairly quickly. There wouldn't be much game to play there. The main fleet made a stand and was defeated in detail. It's conceivable a few battlestars made it away -- we have two canon examples and it's possible for a few more to survive but been destroyed before they met the Galactica. But that would make for some dismal gameplay.

This is why I suggested the alternate timeline. More of the colonial fleet would remain intact, the colonies themselves would only have suffered a partial attack assuming that more of the basestars could have been countered during the initial sneak attack, nukes intercepted, etc. So it's more of a fight between combatants on an even footing rather than a war of attrition against humans who have no chance of resupply.