Pure Steam Ice????

[mepatuhoo]

Why is there a pure steam ice? Just make an H2O ice. When H2O turns to a gas then label it as steam in the pipe. also Why is there a pure Volatile Ice when we already have Volatile ice.

[Duke Leto]

Actually, every gas seems to have a two pure ice versions - for example oxygen has both "pure oxygen ice" and "pure oxygen liquid ice".

Not sure why there are 2 ices for every gas -- seems a bit ridiculous.

Just search for "pure" in the stationpedia.

[JeanDeaux]

Perhaps our rice will taste 10% better if it was cooked in Pure Steam Ice instead of just plain ol' Steam? Might even come out luke warm instead of scalding hot when it's done.

[ulzgoroth]

To the OP question, it makes a lot of sense that there would be a pure water ice that is distinct from 'normal' ice, because normal ice that you dig out of the ground in Stationeers contains 20% nitrogen gas.

Why anything would ever be called 'pure steam ice' or 'pure liquid water ice' instead of just 'pure water ice' I can't begin to explain.

[DrLamp]

This breaks my brain a little, it sounds like there should be "Liquid Steam".

[mepatuhoo]

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

To the OP question, it makes a lot of sense that there would be a pure water ice that is distinct from 'normal' ice, because normal ice that you dig out of the ground in Stationeers contains 20% nitrogen gas.

Why anything would ever be called 'pure steam ice' or 'pure liquid water ice' instead of just 'pure water ice' I can't begin to explain.

having a water Ice is fine. But I want you to take in the word "Pure STEAM ICE" and really think about this. If you find steam ice in the real world I will give you $1 MILLION Dollars.

[mepatuhoo]

Steam is a state of matter. it should be called H2O ice not steam ice. steam is a state of mater and liquid is another state of mater you can't be steam and ice at the same time.

[mepatuhoo]

The devs need to play "Oxygen not included" to get an idea how state changing should work. in ONI you have a element like water it has 3 states. gas, liquid, solid. These elements should have state changes depending on PSI and temp. Just call it H2O solid (Ice), H2O liquid (water), H2O gas (Steam). This can be done with every element.
O2 Solid (O2 Ice), O2 Liquid, O2 Gas

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

To the OP question, it makes a lot of sense that there would be a pure water ice that is distinct from 'normal' ice, because normal ice that you dig out of the ground in Stationeers contains 20% nitrogen gas.

Why anything would ever be called 'pure steam ice' or 'pure liquid water ice' instead of just 'pure water ice' I can't begin to explain.

Yeah, some things have 3 ices now just to confuse things even more....

Ice (Water)
Pure Ice Water
Pure Ice Steam

Ice (Volatiles)
Pure Ice Volatiles
Pure Ice Liquid Volatiles

Oxite
Pure Ice Oxygen
Pure Ice Liquid Oxygen

I can understand that the "mine-able" version of "gases" (elements?) can be different from the pure (solid?) version, but why two pure versions?

Originally posted by DrLamp:

This breaks my brain a little, it sounds like there should be "Liquid Steam".

Don't tempt them.

[mepatuhoo]

Originally posted by Duke Leto:

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

To the OP question, it makes a lot of sense that there would be a pure water ice that is distinct from 'normal' ice, because normal ice that you dig out of the ground in Stationeers contains 20% nitrogen gas.

Why anything would ever be called 'pure steam ice' or 'pure liquid water ice' instead of just 'pure water ice' I can't begin to explain.

Yeah, some things have 3 ices now just to confuse things even more....

Ice (Water)
Pure Ice Water
Pure Ice Steam

Ice (Volatiles)
Pure Ice Volatiles
Pure Ice Liquid Volatiles

Oxite
Pure Ice Oxygen
Pure Ice Liquid Oxygen

I can understand that the "mine-able" version of "gases" (elements?) can be different from the pure (solid?) version, but why two pure versions?

Originally posted by DrLamp:

This breaks my brain a little, it sounds like there should be "Liquid Steam".

Don't tempt them.

Even more Ice Volatilizes, Pure Ice Volatilizes and Pure Ice Liquid Volatilizes all make the same thing. no point in making new Volatile ices as the one you mine was all we needed as Ice Volatilizes is pure already.

[mepatuhoo]

The mineable ices that give off more than one gas could have been redone to be mixed Ices and show the % of each element in the ice. The only ices not pure is Oxide, water ice and NOS Ice. Volatile ice is already pure.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by mepatuhoo:

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

To the OP question, it makes a lot of sense that there would be a pure water ice that is distinct from 'normal' ice, because normal ice that you dig out of the ground in Stationeers contains 20% nitrogen gas.

Why anything would ever be called 'pure steam ice' or 'pure liquid water ice' instead of just 'pure water ice' I can't begin to explain.

having a water Ice is fine. But I want you to take in the word "Pure STEAM ICE" and really think about this. If you find steam ice in the real world I will give you $1 MILLION Dollars.

All ice on Earth is steam ice: it has been steam at some point!

However, nobody would call it that because it is a weird and useless thing to call it.


Although...

Here's a theory: they're differentiating between ices formed by freezing liquid and by direct vapor deposition. This is...maybe not 100% absurd? One could imagine different material qualities, though that is hardly the only relevant differentiator for different crystal structures.

In terms of factors actually relevant to the game, though, I can't see how it would be useful, so it's mostly absurd.

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by mepatuhoo:

The mineable ices that give off more than one gas could have been redone to be mixed Ices and show the % of each element in the ice. The only ices not pure is Oxide, water ice and NOS Ice. Volatile ice is already pure.

I guess they could rename them to "impure", that would also explain why the melting/boiling temperature is different for Ice (Volatiles) and the pure ice versions of volatiles. Or make up a name like Volatite.

Volatiles has always been a bit of an "imaginary hybrid" anyway, it could stretch to the fact that the "mine-able" version has "unamed" impurities that change the melting/boiling point.

And Ice (water) does have impurities of nitrogen. But at the very least

Impure Ice
Pure Ice

should be enough ices for water?

[mepatuhoo]

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

Originally posted by mepatuhoo:

having a water Ice is fine. But I want you to take in the word "Pure STEAM ICE" and really think about this. If you find steam ice in the real world I will give you $1 MILLION Dollars.

All ice on Earth is steam ice: it has been steam at some point!

However, nobody would call it that because it is a weird and useless thing to call it.


Although...

Here's a theory: they're differentiating between ices formed by freezing liquid and by direct vapor deposition. This is...maybe not 100% absurd? One could imagine different material qualities, though that is hardly the only relevant differentiator for different crystal structures.

In terms of factors actually relevant to the game, though, I can't see how it would be useful, so it's mostly absurd.

No ice is not steam and steam is not ice. steam and ice are states of mater. you can't be both at the same time. did you not learn this in 5th grade? you can have H2O that is at a set state of mater depending on thermal energy and psi. but if you change the thermal energy or psi where that element is no longer stable at that state it will flash to the most stable state. it's all about what is the stable state for mater for the given element based on energy and psi. if you have steam and you keep lowering it's energy it will drop to a liquid as it's stable state then after further loss of energy it will flash to a solid (ice) as its stable state. The moment H2O is in a liquid or solid state you wouldn't call that steam. Much like if you took ice and warmed it up to boiling to steam. You wouldn't call the steam ice. Even if you where to drop the psi in a room with ice making it flash to a gas you wouldn't call that gas an ice.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by mepatuhoo:

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

All ice on Earth is steam ice: it has been steam at some point!

However, nobody would call it that because it is a weird and useless thing to call it.


Although...

Here's a theory: they're differentiating between ices formed by freezing liquid and by direct vapor deposition. This is...maybe not 100% absurd? One could imagine different material qualities, though that is hardly the only relevant differentiator for different crystal structures.

In terms of factors actually relevant to the game, though, I can't see how it would be useful, so it's mostly absurd.

No ice is not steam and steam is not ice. steam and ice are states of mater. you can't be both at the same time. did you not learn this in 5th grade? you can have H2O that is at a set state of mater depending on thermal energy and psi. but if you change the thermal energy or psi where that element is no longer stable at that state it will flash to the most stable state. it's all about what is the stable state for mater for the given element based on energy and psi.

If you look at the words 'steam ice' and think the only thing they could possibly mean it is steam and ice simultaneously, that's really your problem.

[mepatuhoo]

Originally posted by ulzgoroth:

Originally posted by mepatuhoo:

No ice is not steam and steam is not ice. steam and ice are states of mater. you can't be both at the same time. did you not learn this in 5th grade? you can have H2O that is at a set state of mater depending on thermal energy and psi. but if you change the thermal energy or psi where that element is no longer stable at that state it will flash to the most stable state. it's all about what is the stable state for mater for the given element based on energy and psi.

If you look at the words 'steam ice' and think the only thing they could possibly mean it is steam and ice simultaneously, that's really your problem.

What exactly are you thinking when you see the words "steam ice". These two words have never been used together in this way so I would really like to know how you think this makes sense.
I even tried to help your case by going online using every search engine and AI chat bot and even they can't figure out what you're talking about. so please explain to everyone here how you think steam ice makes sense. Given that not a single web result can bring anything up that would back you up. I'm not trying to be mean to you but you really should know that steam ice is not a thing and is impossible.