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nights Mar 2, 2023 @ 10:31am
Advanced frunace - dont use H2/O2 for "obvious reasons"
Hey - as per topic, while I was doing some research about advancing further this kind of popped up. Not to mention that in vids I saw NOS was mixed with H2. So... what are the obvious reasons - note I did not blow up furnace so far, still setting it up.
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JeanDeaux Mar 2, 2023 @ 1:11pm 
Not sure, I use H2 (at 66%) and O2 (at 34%) all the time for fuel. As with any fuel, there's safety concerns. I can tell you the fuel is temperature sensitive, so maybe not good to use on Venus, but as long as you keep it under 30°C you should be fine.
LittleShade Mar 2, 2023 @ 3:57pm 
I don't know where You saw the message.
NO2-H2 fuel is more efficient than O2-H2 fuel.
but NO2-H2 fuel can't make water like O2-H2.
LTL King Mar 2, 2023 @ 6:51pm 
How do you just heat gas.
JeanDeaux Mar 3, 2023 @ 1:09am 
Originally posted by LTL King:
How do you just heat gas.

That's a bit generic of a question. But generally speaking I use a heat exchanger to change the temperature of gasses. One side just needs to be connected to something warmer or cooler to change the temperature of my gas supply, the exchanger prevents the gasses from mixing.

You can also connect the pipes to radiators to heat or cool. I like using radiators on my water pipes with my greenhouse atmosphere so that the water temperature is regulated with my room temperature, around 25°C.

You could also use the atmospherics air conditioner to heat/cool gasses. There's a few options to get creative with depending how much of a change you're looking to make to the temperatures.
LTL King Mar 3, 2023 @ 6:02am 
Originally posted by JeanDeaux:
That's a bit generic of a question.
Not generic. Looking at the topic of the discussion being furnace.
heat exchanger to change the temperature of gasses
That's passive and more to remove heat
I like using radiators on my water pipes with my greenhouse atmosphere
That's regulating gas temp.
atmospherics air conditioner to heat/cool gasses.
Only goes so far.


I want to just heat up gas.
How high can I get the temp. Can I get it to 600K maybe 1000K
Let's go for 2000K
Looking at the topic of the discussion being the furnace.
Connecting them .
No need to keep digging V and Oxite
Last edited by LTL King; Mar 3, 2023 @ 6:06am
LittleShade Mar 3, 2023 @ 7:29am 
Fuel->H2 Combustor->Heat Gas and Water->Furnace, Advanced Furnace, Stirling Engine, Heat Exchanger(in air temp)... etc

Heat Gas Temp is about 1000~2400K

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198386747090/screenshots/?appid=544550#scrollTop=0
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198386747090/screenshots/
Last edited by LittleShade; Mar 3, 2023 @ 7:44am
JeanDeaux Mar 3, 2023 @ 8:07am 
By generic question I mean you had so few details I didn't know if you were just simply asking to warm up gas or to use gas in the furnace for smelting. A better formed question would yield a better response.

A heat exchanger attempts to balance temperatures, not that it's designed to cool. The warm gas/liquid will cool while the cooler gas/liquid will warm, just like radiators will. I've used exchangers to warm up gas/liquids frequently all while cooling something else I didn't need. Since you wish to warm up your gas, you could have the exhaust of your furnace, advanced furnace, oxidizer, (anything that puts out a lot of heat) and warm up in stages your cooler gas.

Yep, ACs only go so far, but you can chain them to step up/down heat, there's video's on this... refer back to the better question suggestion.

I'm sure you'll figure it out, plenty of options to get there.
nights Mar 3, 2023 @ 9:07am 
Originally posted by pippin2006:
I don't know where You saw the message.
NO2-H2 fuel is more efficient than O2-H2 fuel.
but NO2-H2 fuel can't make water like O2-H2.
AFAIR some tutorial video.

This answer begs a question - why would NO2-H2 be more efficient if its "spoon fed" ?
Granted, in earths atmo spraying NO2 into intake does boost O2 intput, since its 2:1 O:N ratio, rather than atmo 1:4, but its not the case with pure mix.
LTL King Mar 3, 2023 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by pippin2006:
Fuel->H2 Combustor->Heat Gas and Water->Furnace, Advanced Furnace, Stirling Engine, Heat Exchanger(in air temp)... etc

Heat Gas Temp is about 1000~2400K

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198386747090/screenshots/?appid=544550#scrollTop=0
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198386747090/screenshots/
That's a lot to follow
https://prnt.sc/LoMShEFCBWst
https://prnt.sc/fqh5wBw33LNn
and I can't figure how to get this to work which I followed a video to the pipe and can't get a 1 degree increase in heat or decrease in cooling.
LTL King Mar 3, 2023 @ 11:52am 
Originally posted by JeanDeaux:
By generic question I mean you had so few details I didn't know if you were just simply asking to warm up gas or to use gas in the furnace for smelting. A better formed question would yield a better response.

A heat exchanger attempts to balance temperatures, not that it's designed to cool. The warm gas/liquid will cool while the cooler gas/liquid will warm, just like radiators will. I've used exchangers to warm up gas/liquids frequently all while cooling something else I didn't need. Since you wish to warm up your gas, you could have the exhaust of your furnace, advanced furnace, oxidizer, (anything that puts out a lot of heat) and warm up in stages your cooler gas.

Yep, ACs only go so far, but you can chain them to step up/down heat, there's video's on this... refer back to the better question suggestion.

I'm sure you'll figure it out, plenty of options to get there.


How do I heat gas?
How do I cool gas?

Generally. How do you do it.
There's nothing else to add. When I add things people take it out of context and don't provide enough information.
Here look at photo but I won't tell you whats going on in the photo.
Go watch some video. Yeah tried that. Still sitting wondering how to heat up gas because the video is a year old and they have changed how things work in the game since then.
You can't do that anymore.
Lastly. Tried it anyways. Still not able to get it going.

I want to know all the ways to heat and cool gas.

Answers starting from easy to hard.

There's wall heaters. They will cost 1kw of power.
Plug into power and turn on. They will continue to heat to the point of items in the room spontaneously combustion and eventually catching fire themselves.
So you'll want to manually turn them off later building in an automated system.

Radiators.
You can connect a pipe from where you want to cool to anywhere outside that space and put a radiator on either side.
This will work on most places very well like the moon, europa but other places it can get hot outside which can move the heat inside.

Heat ex changers can do the same.

Wall coolers.
Fill a pipe with any gas(es) and connect wall cooler.
It will take the heat out of the atmosphere it's in and put it into the pipe.
The atmosphere doesn't move between the 2. If the button is flashing an error. Either there's not enough atmosphere in the pipe or not enough in the room.

You will need to radiate that heat somewhere else. Most common way is to use a radiator outside and the heat will radiate into the world.
You could capture that heat in a room filled with some type of atmosphere.

What other options are there to heating gas other than controlled combustion.


SO QUESTION.
HOW DO I HEAT GAS???


How hot? Does it matter? No
As hot as I can. As hot as the game allows.
What's it for? Does it matter? No.
I just want hot gas.

The post started with the topic of the furnace. Maybe he would post a question about getting gas hot in the furnace thread because he wants hot gas for the furnace.
If it wasn't for the furnace then I would probably make a new topic.
I'd still ask same question but a few different words.
How do I heat gas up?
Last edited by LTL King; Mar 3, 2023 @ 11:54am
JeanDeaux Mar 3, 2023 @ 1:50pm 
I think the hardest concept to grasp first for the game is that it's not really about "heating" something up but more about transferring heat from one gas/liquid to another. And for this to work you have to have one item that's hotter than the other.

You may be looking for a simple "to get this, do that", but since this is a sandbox with multiple solutions to a single problem, I think it's best to discuss concepts rather than specifics.

So let's start with getting something really hot. For that to happen, we need something very hot to begin with to transfer that heat to your colder gas. Warming up that colder gas will cool down that hotter gas also in the process, so the more gas you have to heat up then the more gas you have to have to counter the cooling effect the heat transfer will have. If you're on Venus where the atmosphere is so abundant with hot gasses, its unlikely you'll cool down the atmosphere with the quantity of cool gas you wish to warm. But let's assume you're not on Venus and you'll need a regular and constant supply of something hot to keep your temps up. There are a number of items you can build that generate heat, the trick is to capture that heat until you need it. Obviously there's the output from a furnace that's easily captured, but you'll probably want to heat that exhaust up again to reuse. There's equipment like Hydrogen combustors that create water and generate a lot of heat in the process. An arc furnace generates a ton of heat while smelting ores. You could place items like these into a room with an atmosphere and allow the room to build up heat as they operate. Once the temperature reaches a desired temp you can take that atmosphere and store it while cycling in a fresh batch of atmosphere to replace it and repeat the cycle. You could also use radiators to transfer that room heat to another piped system to warm up cooler air, it just depends on how you want to setup your base and equipment. Keeping such a room hot and passing those exhaust gasses from your furnace might be all you need to bring those temps back up again to reuse in your furnace. But how hot is too hot? Well, the items in your heat capture system will limit that. If you're using an Arc Furnace to generate heat then in that room there's a door, wiring, an arc furnace, maybe some IC or chip controls and lights. You'll need to keep the temperature below the flashpoint temperatures of all those devices else the heat will consume them with fire. If you plan to enter the room yourself, your suit may take damage if it exceeds the resistance capabilities of the suit.

So it's all about what you have available, and it will vary by planet and what you've got built. I hope this response doesn't seem like an insult to your intelligence or deductive reasoning, but rather as some inspirational concepts that can be adapted to your particular play styles.
Last edited by JeanDeaux; Mar 3, 2023 @ 1:57pm
LTL King Mar 3, 2023 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by JeanDeaux:
I think the hardest concept to grasp first for the game is that it's not really about "heating" something up but more about transferring heat from one gas/liquid to another. And for this to work you have to have one item that's hotter than the other.
and is there a point.
You may think the hardest concept is whatever but I have enough hours in the game to understand what the game is about.

The hardest concept to grasp is I just need direct answer. Short simple and straight to the point is easier for me to understand.


How to heat gas and how do you set it up?


No don't send me to any video about it. They aren't current and don't explain how devices work in the 1st place. I've seen them all.

The question is right there and your carrying on some conversation about some text wall I'm not reading which doesn't even get straight to the point. I lernt to how paragrafs work in grade 3.

I even showed you the 1st 3 items which create heat/cool.
Item. How to set up. Which literally took 3 or less sentences to tell you the basics that you need to know.

Know when to much is to much. Less is more. Simple is better.
Last edited by LTL King; Mar 3, 2023 @ 2:25pm
LittleShade Mar 4, 2023 @ 9:17am 
Originally posted by nights:
Originally posted by pippin2006:
I don't know where You saw the message.
NO2-H2 fuel is more efficient than O2-H2 fuel.
but NO2-H2 fuel can't make water like O2-H2.
AFAIR some tutorial video.

This answer begs a question - why would NO2-H2 be more efficient if its "spoon fed" ?
Granted, in earths atmo spraying NO2 into intake does boost O2 intput, since its 2:1 O:N ratio, rather than atmo 1:4, but its not the case with pure mix.

I'm sorry.
I marked Vol as H for convenience.
Vol is a hypothetical Volatiles.
Therefore, the molecular weight of Volatiles is unknown.
See https://stationeers-wiki.com/Volatiles for Volatiles' heat of reaction.
ShizNator Mar 5, 2023 @ 6:40pm 
Originally posted by LTL King:
How to heat gas and how do you set it up?
I'm guessing you saw all those AC gas heating/cooling tutorials lol.

I use to have an extremely sophisticated fueless furnace system made with em.

But they changed the AC and I read that you couldn't really do that with them anymore.
So I still want my fueless furnace and set out to find a way where I can heat my pollutant I use for the fueless furnace.

I made a little video I'm uploading gonna take a while I got crappy interenet. I noticed this post and I'm like ok might as well upload it so he can see an actual working up to date version recorded literally 15-20 min ago lol.

I will post it here and explain what I've done and what I'm doing.
LTL King Mar 5, 2023 @ 7:20pm 
Originally posted by ShizNator:
Originally posted by LTL King:
How to heat gas and how do you set it up?

But they changed the AC and I read that you couldn't really do that with them anymore.
So I still want my fueless furnace and set out to find a way where I can heat my pollutant I use for the fueless furnace.
^
That's how to answer
Last edited by LTL King; Mar 5, 2023 @ 7:20pm
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