New Trader Update

[Silver Fox]

I've built the landing pad and everything around and I'm looking to buy flowers, to make new colours of paint. Only problem is that, the new trader for food/hydroponics doesn't sell them. In fact, the only contact I manage to land, had only seeds of all the basic things, which I have already. Has anyone been able to buy other things, like flowers or those exotic ones (Tropical ..something)? There's a lot of other plants on the Stationpedia, that I actually never tried before (I'm still learning about all the plants) and so... how am I gonna get them?

Also, one of the traders wanted to buy a Pumpkin Pie!... Ok, so I wanted to make one, even because, it has a high nutritional value, I thought I could make a few and keep the rest to myself. Anyway, in the process, I realized I'd need eggs, to make the pie.

I lost my eggs from the start of the run, they're still there on the shelf decomposing. So I started to search on "how to get eggs" in the Stationpedia and the internet in general... And there's no way I can get them, because the chickens don't exist anymore!? And the traders don't sell eggs either?

Am I missing something here? How do we get all of these other plants and items needed to make different dishes?

Edit: I know how to make milk, oil and flower. The problem is the eggs and all the plants we can't get from the starter lander.

[Stooge]

Traders, at least before this update, did sell chicken eggs. They are crazy rare and insanely expensive. Also, once you get one and it hatches, you'll quickly be swimming in a sea of chickens. You can sell them for a fortune, though. However, I say again this is before the trader update. I don't know how it works now. Even then they were *rare* to find on a trader. I looked for a looong time.

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by Stooge:

Traders, at least before this update, did sell chicken eggs. They are crazy rare and insanely expensive. Also, once you get one and it hatches, you'll quickly be swimming in a sea of chickens. You can sell them for a fortune, though. However, I say again this is before the trader update. I don't know how it works now. Even then they were *rare* to find on a trader. I looked for a looong time.

That's... not good. The whole description from the update doesn't specify anything about the items that will be sold. They only mentioned something like "basic items", and I get that. But what about the plants, flowers, tulips, etc....? Are they being sold by traders?
And the eggs?... how am I supposed to cook a Pumpkin Pie then?

Has anyone found any items different from the basic seeds that we spawn with? Or even eggs?

Thanks for the reply Stooge.

[Silver Fox]

After hours trying contact the Tier 3 "Green Futures", to find out what they sell, I almost lost my mind. Small Satellite Dish is so bad, I decided to put in the Recycler after a few tries... then I built the Medium one... which did a better job with Tiers 1 and 2... but the Tier 3, is impossible to reach... so I went into a Creative World and built the Large Dish, everything setup correctly, and I got a Tier 3 signal. It was something else, All Alloys, or something like that...

It took forever to try and find a stronger signal, in order to contact the trader... when I finally did, my 10 minutes of waiting had run out... it takes 10 minutes to make the contact, so if you're below 10 minutes on the timer for the trader, that's it, game over.

I just can't understand why they decided to make this whole thing sooooooooo difficult.... if in the end, the traders will bring mostly "basic items"!!!!????

Has anyone out there managed to contact Tier 3 traders, using the Medium, or the Large Satellite Dish??? Or even, "Green Futures"??? How on Earth are we supposed to contact them, if there's not enough time or if the Dishes move at the same speed as a slug???

If anyone has contacted a Tier 3 Green Futures, please tell me how you did it. Or what on Earth are they selling?! That's all I want to know, really.

Thanks.

[[15th] lolpox]

I suspect (REALLY hope) there will be a lot of fine-tunings in the last trader balancing/polishing update, because eg locking the thermal plants behind the Tier3 traders (+ a luck factor even at that difficulty) is literally killing several different play-styles... (plant based AC, and such)

Not to mention the fact, that now you can't just dump all the un-needed stuff in the beginning to gain some money... which money is especially worthy now, seeing the new seed prices...

Also, the variety of the trader goods I've seen so far is literally "no variety". Maybe I had bad luck, but even the T2 traders had same stuff as the T1 (or maybe there's a bug).

I'd prefer to have traders with semi-random inventory (eg for a T1 seed trader random T1 seeds - and a chance for 2-3 other, again random but higher tier goods.) Oh, and I'd really like to see "scrap" traders (buying anything, maybe for cheaper than specific traders, etc).

[Silver Fox]

Yes, I really hope they change a few things in the next update. I found all the items, from all the traders, extremely "basic"... there's absolutely nothing that I want to buy, or trade from any of the Tier 1 and 2 traders. I haven't managed to get a Tier 3 yet. The only thing I found, was that, a tier 2 Green Futures had some "fast growing potato" to sell... at the time, I didn't have enough money to buy. Then later on, a tier 1 showed up, I got him to land, and he too had that "fast growing potato"!!!
Then I had enough money to get one, which I did, but he was a tier 1....?!?!
I mean, he should have only the basic seeds, for his tier. It would make more sense to me.

Then I got a tier 1 or 2, can't remember, of that "All Alloys", or "Build INC".... anyway, it wasn't food, but he wanted to buy a Pumpkin Pie from me... lol You're trading metals and materials, and a Pumpkin Pie comes up... and they said on the description of the update, that now the items they want to buy and sell will be more "related" to each other?!

I don't know what's going on, but so far, I'm really disappointed with this update. I got all excited in the beginning, thinking we would have better items, a bigger list of things to choose from... feels like the update made everything regress instead of progress. Then you go on YouTube, or the Stationpedia, there's nothing, nowhere to be found, explaining how everything works...we were left in the limbo to figure it out by ourselves.

And I still can't bring a Tier 3 trader down... absolutely impossible, given the amount of time I have to contact the signal and how the signal works.

You find the signal to be ~90 degrees off.... you go back 1 step.... ~89 degrees... Good, then you go back one more step IN THE SAME DIRECTION... ~92 degrees off!?!?!?! WTF???!!!

It just feels so random and not following a reasonable logic to narrow the signal down...

[Eightball]

There is another planned Trader Update and I would guess even some fine tuning after that so changes are still to come.

Make sure you post your suggestions or bring them up on Discord (like the seeds). We cant tell what the next Trader Update will bring, but it never hurts to post your experiences and suggestions in anticipation of it.

[TiTAN]

Originally posted by Silver Fox:

I lost my eggs from the start of the run

Try building a salvaging rocket. you get tons of items, plants, seeds and also some eggs for free.

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by Eightball:

There is another planned Trader Update and I would guess even some fine tuning after that so changes are still to come.

Make sure you post your suggestions or bring them up on Discord (like the seeds). We cant tell what the next Trader Update will bring, but it never hurts to post your experiences and suggestions in anticipation of it.

I'll have a look into that, thanks for the suggestion! :)

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by TiTAN:

Originally posted by Silver Fox:

I lost my eggs from the start of the run

Try building a salvaging rocket. you get tons of items, plants, seeds and also some eggs for free.

Now, that's something I didn't think of!
I have a rocket already, for ore and ice. But it never crossed my mind to build a salvage rocket, as I didn't know what kind of "salvage" it would bring. I thought it would be pieces of metal only, which would have to be recycled and put in the centrifuge after...

Anyway, that's a really good idea, I'm gonna build one this weekend!

But what about the Tier 3 Good Futures? ... lol

I still wanna know what they sell... I even learned a bit about the IC Housing and how to setup a script to try and find the signal, but the scripts I've got from the workshop, I don't know... I think they're not working, as the Dish just keeps going in circles and never pointing to the trader. And I don't have a clue on how to write a script like that ... :(

But thanks for your suggestion, much appreciated!!!

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by TiTAN:

Originally posted by Silver Fox:

I lost my eggs from the start of the run

Try building a salvaging rocket. you get tons of items, plants, seeds and also some eggs for free.

I built the salvage rocket... absolutely nothing that you said came. All I've got were pieces of metal, 2 pipes, 1 atmospherics and just rubbish in general. Not a single plant, seed or egg. I don't know where you got that idea from, but clearly you haven't built a salvage rocket before, have you?! lol

What a waste of time...

[JeanDeaux]

The salvage rocket will randomly deliver a mix of random items. The majority of items are trashed items but a few do turn out to be useful items. I've received all kinds of items from a salvage rocket, though again the majority of items are damaged goods. TiTAN is not wrong in his response and every item he mentioned can be picked up in a salvage run. I've seen some posts were components that are now obsolete and cannot be fabricated have shown up (like conveyor belts or nuclear power reactors).

True, I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting a specific item I was hoping for, but dig long enough and you'll eventually get it.

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by JeanDeaux:

The salvage rocket will randomly deliver a mix of random items. The majority of items are trashed items but a few do turn out to be useful items. I've received all kinds of items from a salvage rocket, though again the majority of items are damaged goods. TiTAN is not wrong in his response and every item he mentioned can be picked up in a salvage run. I've seen some posts were components that are now obsolete and cannot be fabricated have shown up (like conveyor belts or nuclear power reactors).

True, I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting a specific item I was hoping for, but dig long enough and you'll eventually get it.

Well, I launched the rocket a few times, maybe 5 or 6, and all I've got was wreckage with a tiny amount of items mixed up... random items, like a canister of oxygen... or 2 bits of pipe... a switch... an uniform... and all of that metal scrap, couldn't be recycled. I put a lot of it in the recycler and nothing came out.

I'll try and run more times to see what else comes up.
But then my question becomes, is it worth it?
All of that time, resources, fuel... it feels like it uses way more fuel than my other rocket in survival mode. Which is just ore and ice.

[TiTAN]

put some sorters infront of some (refrigerated) vending machines and let the rocket run for some time... you can also filter specific items (plant, suit, ingot) out for dumping direct into recycler or dig a hole (as ex. for wreckage, toosl etc etc). after 5 runs with the rocket i managed to get 3 vending machines full of crap, including some eggs, plants and seeds and tons of other more or less usable stuff.

[JeanDeaux]

Is it worth it? That's for you to answer for yourself. You could get that egg in the first run, and you might not get it until the trillionth run, such is the result of using a random number generator. All TiTAN was doing was providing you information on a workflow that does offer a solution. Trading also works, but that too requires time to build up the funds.

[Silver Fox]

Originally posted by TiTAN:

put some sorters infront of some (refrigerated) vending machines and let the rocket run for some time... you can also filter specific items (plant, suit, ingot) out for dumping direct into recycler or dig a hole (as ex. for wreckage, toosl etc etc). after 5 runs with the rocket i managed to get 3 vending machines full of crap, including some eggs, plants and seeds and tons of other more or less usable stuff.

Well, I'll give it a go and build it on my survival world... I was trying in Creative first, like everything else, to see the results and how it works, etc... but if you say you actually got some seeds, plants and eggs, I don't see why that wouldn't show up again now, unless the devs changes what comes out of the rocket, with the latest updates... hopefully not!

Thanks for the tip anyway! :)