Venus temperature, is it a beta branch bug?

[ждун]

I have not yet played on venus and i decided to try it on the beta branch, which may have bugs of course. I started at night just like on vulcan but the temperature on venus at night was 463 °C. Compared to vulcan 126 °C. I don't see a way to survive this as all the tanks explode in about two minutes or something (at night!). Even if you make it to build small shelter with a door in a matter of seconds it will still be about 500 °C inside. No chance to survive your air or waste tank explodes before the sun comes up.

Is it maybe a bug? I watched videos on YT for venus but they all have about 100 °C at night. Thats less then on vulcan and certainly can be survived long enough to build a shelter. So why do i have much higher temperature? suspecting its a bug. Anybody who played Venus on the stable branch can tell me what is the expected temperature on venus at night on the stable branch?

[HydrO]

venus temperature is constant around what you said, it doesnt change from night to day, those videos you saw are old versions.
Tanks are more insulated than before, you can make a small vaccum before having any issue with tanks

[ждун]

Originally posted by HydrO:

venus temperature is constant around what you said, it doesnt change from night to day, those videos you saw are old versions.
Tanks are more insulated than before, you can make a small vaccum before having any issue with tanks

Ah, interestning. So they actually changed the temperatures on venus and its not a bug?
This is really a lot more challenging then. No idea how to survive that, at my first attempt i could barely finished 3x3 room with doors but well the temperature inside was still 500 °C. I was getting in trouble with waste tank pressure already like after a minute and was then busy dealing with that. I didn't have enough time to make vacuum in the room. I will try it again and hurry some more. This is insane.

[HydrO]

yes, and yes, venus and vulcan are supposeed to be a challenging maps, the first days are the hardest

[ждун]

Originally posted by HydrO:

yes, and yes, venus and vulcan are supposeed to be a challenging maps, the first days are the hardest

lol i just tried again with a 2x2 room. Its absolutely impossible for me. I can finish building the room but there is not realy any time left to pump out the hot air out of it. Have you ever managed to survive 1st night on venus?

vulcan seems to me much less of a challenge actually.

[ждун]

thanks i will check those vids.
I think it works only with such tricks. You get your first waste tank warning already after 30 seconds or something. its critical after another 15 seconds. Then you switch the bottles to win maybe 15 seconds until its again critical. And then this period becomes even shorter and shorter so you end up being busy with switching the bottles after two minutes in game already. In two minutes i can maybe build a small room but to set up vents and power and the pipes for making vacuum really no chance without special voodoo.

[ждун]

Originally posted by Whiplash:

Also I recommend Autom8it's Venus series from about a year ago. It's still relevant to the current version. He shows how to quickly setup a waste reclamation system. His technique for the heat is to make extra canisters asap to swap in and out, then let them cool down and reclaim the oxygen via filtration in the base.

Yea i know this technique used it on vulcan already, but venus now with almost 500 °C at night is not gonna work. Just not enough time to build autolathe, set up power, mine some iron, melt some of it etc... for the bottles. And you certainly need a vacuum shelter first i guess. You have 2 minutes at most with switching waste and air bottles. Just can't build all of it in only 2 minutes.

[ждун]

yea thanks will check them out. Venting the waste tank one time might be a good idea.

[ждун]

Ah weird, im watching the evil cows video he definetely has much more time before getting in trouble with pressures in tanks. He easily sits there and picks all stuff from the crates. After two minutes he only has 800 kpa in the waste tank. For me its building up pressure like 10 times that fast. I just grab the frames and nothing else and getting the first waste warning (about 3500 kpa) already when i start putting them on the ground.

Maybe there is actually a bug with that with beta? gonna switch to stable and check that.

[ждун]

Ah now i know why. I have selected the highest difficulty level (stationeers). On normal difficulty level its much less of a problem.

[Zarkov]

It sounds like there might be a problem with your game. Cows are evil usually plays on stationeers difficulty afaik, and the main difference early on should only be that you must open your helmet to eat / drink when on stationeers difficulty. He used the filter trick / feature in his most recent Venus playthrough, which can explain the difference you saw with the waste tank.

You should have enough time to build a small room and vacuum it out, if you focus on getting that done. If not, you can just open your waste tank to empty it (will waste some oxygen but it's not game over). If you're not even close to having enough time, there might be something wrong with the game (settings?).

By the way, you can eat and drink in a vacuum without getting permanent damage (might want to close the helmet in between eating and drinking). I don't know if you take permanent damage from it eventually (i.e. need to use medical pill to get rid of warning icon).

[pryt]

Just as another small hint: when playing "Stationeers" Difficulty and having to open your helmet to drink, you don't have to wait while drinking until the progress bar is full, you can open helmet - drink a little bit - close helmet ... flush helmet ... rinse and repeat.

[ждун]

Originally posted by Zarkov:

He used the filter trick / feature in his most recent Venus playthrough, which can explain the difference you saw with the waste tank.

He did it only after few minutes in game after he has picked up all kind of stuff from the crates. In that time i have already exploded more then once.

Originally posted by Zarkov:

You should have enough time to build a small room and vacuum it out, if you focus on getting that done.

There is indeed something wrong. I had about 30 seconds until first warning and even switching tanks and filter on and off i can extend my live up to maximum of two minutes. Thats barely enough to build a tiny room, but really no time for powering up and making vacuum. No chance. I checked meanwhile, its only happening on the beta branch. Its much slower on stable.

[dupa]

Check out the videos by Autom8it:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh9WoaqqGGRClP86bBBdkA/playlists

[ждун]

Seems like i have resolved it by reinstalling the game. Its still a challenge but by far not so quick as ive seen it before. I have now managed to survive few days and set up a small pressurised and yet manualy air conditioned shelter up to furnace sofar. I think i can make it from here on.

Reducing the suit pressure to minimum (20 kpa when pure oxygen is used) makes the waste tank fill much slower. Switching filter off and on also helps a lot. However with reduced suit pressure the low oxygen warning comes a bit earlier so you have to switch filter more often.

[Ferrio_G]

Some notes on playing Venus (I'm in BETA branch incase there are differences with non-beta) - If you are using the filter tank control play-style as depicted in CowsAreEvil's play-through, you can technically spend as much time as you want outdoors providing you still have a constant source of batteries (spending only ~20kpa O2 per filtration event). I've gone easily 2 full day/night cycles that I can recall without entering my base and without having to refil my O2 tank (I'm still using the O2 tank provided with the lander). The one thing to be aware of with this variant of play though is that over time, your tanks do heat up (I've never had an issue with exploding tanks yet), however, if you don't also control your suits volume and temp, when you go to re-fill your suits O2 by turning filters on and off after an extended trip in atmos, the 463C tank air can easily overwhelm your suit's ability to cool it down resulting in lung damage. Increasing suit pressure to about 150 kpa before the tank temp raise to Venus atmos and decreasing suit temperature to about 15C will afford you a buffer when that really hot gas hits your Suit.