Refilling Canisters and Pipes Make No Sense to Me. Help?

[Fridge Lord]

Hi, I can't figure out how the heck pipes and canisters work. Nothing I do seems to refill the oxygen canister. I try putting it in the portable oxygen tank- makes no sense. I stick it in and my canister O2 goes from 5700 to 3800. I don't see any change in the pressure of the Portable O2 tank. Using the pressure valve on the O2 tank seems to release the oxygen into the environment. I've tried setups with the gas canister storage and the tank holder. I can't figure any of it out.

I've tried putting new, empty canisters in the gas canister storage and directly into the portable oxygen tank, and each time they just come out with nothing in them, no oxygen label.

This makes no sense. Also, how do I know what volume of gas is actually in them? What gas is stored inside and how much of it there actually is seems to be independent of the pressure.

I am so confused and I have no way to read the contents of canisters and I can't find anything detailed enough online. Please help.

[Dinoabunai]

There will be no label. Does the pressure in the canister goes up?

[Apoch]

easy PZ way

Jet pack refuel:
Ore/Mineral: 30-50 Volitile
Canister: Any will do as long as they are empty
Active vent
Pipe
Canister Holder
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Place the holder on a frame
Place empty canister in the holder
Connect a pipe to the holder
Connect the vent to the pipe
Run some wire to the active vent from power source (solar or solid genny)
Set the switch on the vent to INWARDS
Power on the vent
Stand on the vent
Drop the stack of volitile

Do this during the day as it will melt the volitile and the vent will suck it up into the canister. The jetpack doesn't care what type of gas.

This is by far the easiest to do an teaches you the core concept of piping stuff in tanks. It gets much more complicated but it is the same concept.

As far as what is inside the tank there are several ways:
Atmosphere kits from the pipe bender station + specific filters (e.g. O2, H2O, etc)
Pipe anyalizers - it tells you whats in them

Same concept, vent it into atmospherics filters, pipe it out to a Tank connector (don't forget to attach the tank)... From there decide if you need to fill a small canister or mix for breathable air for your base.

For canister see jetpack except now you don't need the vent, replace with a manual valve to open and close when needed.

For base you will need a pipe mixer and another filter setup so you can pipe the two gases into the mixer and create breathable air. I do not recommend 100% O2.

As I said it can be as complex as you want... I have 1 vent room with a chain of rooms each filtering the waste of the proceeding room. By the last room I have filtered each type in separate tanks. Works rather well for me.

Just don't ask me for help with the furnace, we have a love hate relationship currently.

[Limmin]

My furnace works great for bottling air. I can up the pressure by dropping more ice, and lower the pressure by installing an open (yes, open) canister...it purges everything so you can be assured your oxygen is pure.

Apoch, what gases do you mix for breathable air? I feel comfortable only with oxygen and nitrogen. Don't know where to get N2 from. Do you?

[Apoch]

I make air with oxygen & nitrogen... mixer set to 80ish nitro 20ish oxygen.

Nitrogen can be extracted from Ice.

[Fridge Lord]

Thank you for the responses, I will keep reading this and try to figure it out.

Can someone please tell me the simplest way to put oxygen back in your oxygen canister from the portable oxygen tank you get at the start? Like I said it just seems to randomly change the pressure around. And I've stuck empty canisters inside the thing and nothing happens to them, they are not identified as oxygen.

The pressure in canisters seems to change for a numer of conditions, regardless of how much actual gas is in the canister.

And if you have a canister in a gas storage holder, and you break the pipe lines, won't it just vent the contents of the canister out into the atmosphere and you'll lose everything?

[Zothen]

The nitrogen will just accumulate in your suit when you dont have an N2 filter.
Once enough is accumulated you get no more/not enough o2 from you tank and get a low oxy warning.
Now Im using pure oxy and have no more issues.
Would recommend not to mix nitrogen into the mix.

Simple way to refill the airtank is indeed just filling it from oxide ice over the active vent. But you have to add a N2 filter to your helmet.

[Apoch]

Originally posted by BS Fridge Lord:

Thank you for the responses, I will keep reading this and try to figure it out.

Can someone please tell me the simplest way to put oxygen back in your oxygen canister from the portable oxygen tank you get at the start? Like I said it just seems to randomly change the pressure around. And I've stuck empty canisters inside the thing and nothing happens to them, they are not identified as oxygen.

The pressure in canisters seems to change for a numer of conditions, regardless of how much actual gas is in the canister.

And if you have a canister in a gas storage holder, and you break the pipe lines, won't it just vent the contents of the canister out into the atmosphere and you'll lose everything?

All the responses here are valid. so any of them will work.

But to answer your question directly of the simplest way to trasfer the contents of the portable tank to your canister is as follows...

Supplies:
1 Tank connector (Big square thing from pipe bender)
1 Tank holder (canister holder)
1 manual valve (the one from the starter crates)
2 Pipes
1 canister

Place the Tank connector on a frame
Attach a pipe to the connector
Attach the manual valve to the pipe
Attach pipe to the manual valve
Attach tank holder

Place your air canister in the holder and open the valve... depending on how full/low shut valve off and remove to check the pressure of the O2 canister. in case of an empty canister a good 5-6 seconds will fill it.

Item of Note:
You are not using any types of regulators in this setup so it is a fierce game of tug of war with which one will get more pressure... This is why you fill it for a few seconds then close the valve.

[Starshard0]

The absolute easiest way to refil your portable canister is to insert it into your portable oxygen tank, no plumbing required.

[Apoch]

Originally posted by Starshard0:

The absolute easiest way to refil your portable canister is to insert it into your portable oxygen tank, no plumbing required.

Do tell... how does one connect it with no plumbing? I put the tank in my hand... no prompts

[Sinner_D]

@OP:

DO!!!

the original portable tank comes pre-loaded with oxygen. if you look on the top side near the pressure gauge there is a yellowish panel hitting F with a canister in hand while looking at that will connect the canister to the portable tank allowing you to refill canisters.(refills automatically)

DO NOT!!!

turn the pressure release value, that just vents tanks contents into the environment

[Apoch]

Originally posted by Sinner_D:

@OP:

the original portable tank comes pre-loaded with oxygen. if you look on the top side near the pressure gauge there is a yellowish panel hitting F with a canister in hand while looking at that will connect the canister to the portable tank allowing you to refill canisters.(does so automatically)

DO NOT!!!

turn the pressure release value, that just vents tanks contents into the environment)

Ahh a silent prompt... lmfao... Good deal now I also know.

[Fridge Lord]

Thank you guys again for the responses. And Apoch- to your response:

I did exactly that, with the valve and pipes earlier today. Placing an empty canister in the holder does not turn it into an oxygen canister.

Placing my current oxygen canister in the holder actually instantly reduces my canister's pressure from 5600 to 3800, which is the same value as the pressure in the portable oxygen tank.

Holding it there longer does nothing to the new reading of 3800.

You can manually insert a canister directly into the portable oxygen tank by looking for the yellow and black hazard panel near the top of the tank. Doing this gets the same results.

I am really stuck here.

Also why does my canister show as 5600? I have heard of people having similarly high readings and getting low oxygen warnings and dying. I am seriously so confused.

I believe your method, I just don't know why it isn't doing anything.

[Fridge Lord]

Sinner_D:

Doing so does not change the amount of pressure in the canister. If it does anything, it lowers it and equalized it with the pressure in the oxygen tank.

I am so lost!

Maybe I need to revalidate my game files.. again.

[Sinner_D]

@OP: do you mean that your inserted canister doesnt change color or rename itself with "oxygen" in the name or something else?

keep in mind that plumming has a hold pressure aswell, not sure the exat ammount, but a lot of piping will eat up a lot of containers contents until the pressure between the two ends is equalised(relatively).

[Sinner_D]

the direct connect method should always feed the canister to roughly 4000 given the tank has contents to feed, if your game is not doing that yeah I would suggest you got something more than just faulty setup going on.