Cant heat large rooms on Europa, any advices?

[Balumba]

I have a large base, (building one to use for scenarios in future - i hope). tried few things like room filled with gases that produce a lot of heat, but temperature doesnt hold (

atmos i suplied with hot gas from arc furnaces that smelt matherials but it is not enoth (

there was some kind of way to heat one cube room with flares then pump atmosfere thru pipe - this does not work for me.

I give up. Can any one point me to proven and solid way to keep Europa base heated (at least 10+ ?)

Thanks in advance!

[Delle(DK)]

Build your atmospheric system with different kind of gas and filter them into different tanks.

Make a new room where you put a large storage tank and example put something you have allot of such as water/ or X gas in it.. Now build a room arround it with thick walls and put electric heaters on one side and maybe cooling on the other.
The idea is you heat up the room to example 30 degrees.

Now install a pipe system in all of your rooms where you have one or more radiators on the pipes.
Now pump the 30 degree water or gas though the pipes slowly and it should after some time be able to heat the room and also hold a constant temperature.

You properbly have to adjust the 30 degree to more or less until you find a good temperature of example 24 degrees in your rooms.
You can also install some automatics in each room that open for the fluid if temperature is to low instead of having one giant "dump" system that you cannot regulate in every room.

Be aware that the above system require allot of electricty, but if you are a bit creative you can heat and cool the tank example via pipes comming from your furnace into the room and let the fluid in the pipes cool off via radiators and there by transfer heat from the furnace ot what ever you have in the tank.... ( you can also make some pipes form the tank that goes up and down on the wall and install radiators on it, so one side of the room is from the furnace with radiators, and the other side is the pipe connected ot the tank that then opsorb heat from the room and into the pipe/tank.
Its a bit difficult to explain but you get the idea. ;-)

If you REALLY want to make allot of heat, then use the gas generator to make electricity and heat.

PS.. yes flares are your best friend early in the game where you just build a "greenhouse" and drop some falres in there and you can keep warm that way while building your base and protecting your batterys... ( do not empty the white oxygen tank inside and throw a flare LOL )

PPS.. you could maybe experiement with making a solid room, and installing an igniter in the room, and then pump in a tiny bit of gas and that way make a super hot room and transfer the heat from there via radiator and pipes to your base.
However this is dangerous and i dont know if things get to hot if they will burn in the room... so small amount of gas and fire and a way to vent the room into space if it goes crazy


OH and if you have pipes outside your base comming inside then be aware that what ever is in the pipes will cool down outside and go into your base ;-)

[Balumba]

gas heating seem to destroy my map.... erors on player connection, fails in electricity systems
(((

[Bill]

enclosed room collecting heat/gas from arc furnaces, passive radiator system between it and the room you're trying to heat filled with water or pollutants connected with digital valve wired to logic which activates valve letting hot gases cross between radiators at a certain temperature threshold.

sounds complicated, but actually pretty simple

requires very little electricity, and efficiency depends on how hot the furnace room is and how much piping/radiators you use

[Hate Bear]

These suggestions are so complicated lol. It's a bit harder to build gas heaters and whatnot especially at the start of a game and if you haven't done it before. The main thing that is needed is insulation. You want frames that are fully welded on the outside of your hab as much and as often as possible. If you have filled wall sections on the inside (a bit later when you have the time) you can then wrench down a few of those frames to edit your structure without losing your atmo, just a small amount of insulation temporarily, which you then re-weld when you're done.

Now that that's established, the next couple of things to consider are that you can have a section (small at first) of windows someplace with a decent sun arc. I used a few blocks on one end of the base and stripped the insulation and had windows and grew my food there without a powered table. The stock game's solar coefficients are incredibly forgiving.

[Hate Bear]

Also, consider your heat sources. You have two stacks of flares. If you have less ideas on good heat builds, you absolutely must use those in the early game. You may as well use them up anyway, and that alone buys you a lot of time to consider how you will stabilize power, how you will get at least one electric heater powered in your small hab, etc.

Heating with gas is the most powerful, but also the hardest and most dangerous thing to figure out. You need at least a few radiators, including a small setup going out, for safety, except that you should keep the pressure in the out one (that actually cools the base) VERY low, so low it would shock you compared to other radiators, or else it will leak too much heat even when closed. The radiators in to actually heat with should go like this: [vacuum room with furnace] -> [pump to pipe system sealed in insulated frame] -> [pressure reg and volume pump to line in with radiator inside hab] -> [pressure reg and volume pump to line out to bare pipe (you can also connect your portable air filter to this line--it's a dump line)] -> [cold mixed gas system outside]

Keep in mind that you should monitor pressure on each section for safety. The simple old pipe meters are a wonder for this when you begin, and I find that systems I haven't automated should keep those for quite some time. Good luck on your quest for heating.

[Rhiawhyn Zerinth]

AC units have a decent ish job, if you actually know how they function. Two loops, coolant/heat pump and heating/cooling. Fill the heating cooling with a mixture of water and X, then do the same with the other. Heating line is more water than X, pump line is more X than water. Run a line outside the base, and make it as long as you possibly can. Curve it, build it as a gigantic radiator. Then stack as many radiators as you can get on that external coolant line.

The thing to remember is, even if it's -160, there's still heat energy to extract from it, and it's not as costly as you might think. This works both on europa and vulcan and can keep the place handled. It works better in hot climates but it auto handles the temperature. You don't even really need a pump, as the AC unit functions as one. You can supplement this with heaters in various rooms as all that will happen is at worst the fluid line comes back slightly warmer than before.

Now if you want to get real complicated, you can intermix AC units into the atmos line and have them connected to the external heat exchanger to get some heat energy from as well. This means you are pumping heated air and heated fluid around, assuming you have the power for this.

Admittedly it's far more difficult to heat than it is to cool with this system, but once you start actually making heat through various devices/generators and such, it will come in handy because you may hit a situation where you have an ultra hot room with no way to cool it... until you realize you are already cooling it and heating the base by nature of the system in question :D.

Takes a bit to set up, but functions mostly automatically with minimal supervision. Normally the AC unit is garbage but, honestly when set up like this it does work, just don't ever use it for air and only air, it's way better as a fluid thermal exchange unit

[wacster]

Europa: Furnace. Seal the room up, have a line on the outlet before you vent the into atmosphere and install radiators. Heats any space up quickly.

[Iridius]

Coop partner and I solved this a while ago, must have missed this thread. If anyone needs this for the future:

- Very important note: If you have tanks with significant volume and pressure and you expose them to the Europa atmosphere it takes A TON of heat energy to get them back to normal temperatures. Once cooled, they will soak up base heat until you get them warmed up again.
Storing them outside is also not a great idea because your base will be dramatically cooled everytime you consume the gas. Solution, keep the tanks inside in a separate room with a door and NEVER expose them to the cold outside.
- On your furnace, place the volume pump on the output like normal, then use a 3 way pipe connected to two digital valves. One valve leads to a radiator system in your base, and the other leads to your filtration system input (or external exhaust vent). This allows you to heat the base, drain the radiator, or just dump your waste gas as needed. I have this all automated with logic, so I can quickly fill the radiator with 300kpa of fuel, ignite, then dump it to the radiator. We can heat a very large base by 20 degrees with each hit.

[wacster]

Good point about the tanks with pressure. Having gasses you will use for atmosphere stored at base temperature is the way to go.

[Vex]

gasgenerator, is the best way to generate heat!

[Peanut tha Kid]

Personally I use a combination of my gas generator and furnace both on Europa. While the sealed room with X or H2O do work, I've found it immensely easier to use these 2.