AngryJoe and Jim Sterling's Worst of 2018

[JTK]

It made both lists. Agree of not, fun videos that show the worst of the year with backed up footage!

Joe's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qi4qX04FhI
Jim's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hugh_V_VWrQ

[Drackmore]

Without even seeing either video I can tell you that its wholely unsurprising in the least. Neither of them actually played the game and were more than content with uploading a "review" that was nothing more than biased lies and half truths. Its thanks to these blundering idiots and kotaku you have that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ going around that you actually have to buy save slots.

And hell with Jim, Konami could had remastered MGS3 and ported it to PC flawlessly and he'd find some way to still throw it up in his list.

[JTK]

引用自 Drackmore：

Without even seeing either video I can tell you that its wholely unsurprising in the least. Neither of them actually played the game and were more than content with uploading a "review" that was nothing more than biased lies and half truths

That's not true. Their reviews were very indepth actually, so you're wrong about that.

Also i just watched ScrewAttack and Boogies worst lists of 2018, which both had this featured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3yGkfX5ncU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8VzTatHJO0

I guess these have some hidden agenda too...

[Vagrant]

引用自 redcyclone007：

I guess these have some hidden agenda too...

mmmmyep, ad revenue

Edit: What I'm trying to say here is, these Youtubers won't ever have a genuine opinion because they're being held hostage by public opinion in general. Say something odd, and your subscriber count fall, as well as your delicious ad revenue.

[Holografix]

Angry Joe hates zombie games, so his review is a no brainer. I don't like Jim Quisition so his opinion is invalid for me personally. I don't know Screwattack or the big guy so I'm not going to pay attention to them.

I played 1000 hours of Survive and it's a good game. If you don't own it by now, don't worry about it.

[Holografix]

引用自 mdesaleah：

引用自 Holografix：

f you don't own it by now, don't worry about it.

Gladly. A majoprity of gamers dont even know Survive exists. Especially after if failed at release.

low quality bait.

[abcd]

I actually used this as an excuse to learn about the RELX Corporation, since their publications (Eurogamer, under the brand Gamer Network, acquired in 2018) have been the most aggressive towards Konami. And many people appear to be repeating their copy wholesale, despite a lack of any credible sources for things such as their 1st-week sales data comparison.It's common in the industry for fact-checking to be done post-scandal you know.

Wikipedia cites two non-RELX news sources for the Sales section of its Survive article:

GameRant, an Arizona publication which doesn't list any staff except for the one guy who might run it,

and Lahore, Pakistan's 'segmentnext' whose staff page features 5 people, but the only pictures appear to be two of the same person. The vidoes they post sound a little bit like the narrator might be synthetic. Also, lots of spiderman articles?

Both essentially repeat the GameRant party line, which is again based on unverifiable or outright false premises, possibly with an extra sentence decrying corporate greed and declaring victory for gamers. Y'know, by canning anything new and different.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

That last sentence doesnt make sence, because people hate Survive for NOT being new and different. It just seems like a bit of a stretch considering a majority disliked this and you cant fake a player count, and the silence when it comes to this game nowadays.

It's a wildly different break from the usual Metal Gear formula. One of the problems with AAA games is that they represent such a huge resource investment that publishers are often too frightened to do anything but remake the same game with mild iterative improvements.

So for a large publisher to take all those resources, put it in a metal gear game, and NOT make it Tactical Espionage Action, that's new. That's different. Especially after what they did with Kojima.

From a corporate perspective I saw this entire game as a "take that!" to the industry at-large. The most clear, best joke they made, to me, was putting the actual advertised game into the multiplayer coop, after a 40-80 hour sp tutorial which is knowingly mocking itself for tutoring you so thoroughly, and which is essentially where every buzzword marketing thrown at the game (survival, open world, zombies, metal gear) goes to live and die.

Meanwhile, the actual coop game is a pretty tight hero defense game against a surprisngly-well-modeled hivemind AI. A gamer's game, made by an experienced well-funded team who knew what they were doing. That's rare.

And, if you ask me, somewhat threatening.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

I dont think Survive is the type of game to have a purposefully mediocre singleplayer xD. Metal Gear Solid 2 is one of those games to purposefully repeat setpieces from 1, but its still a great game to play.

It's a genre game. Not a genre-defining game. MGS2 was a genre game, too.

There's no organized singleplayer content past 80 hours or so in Survive, and realistically you can get pretty bored of it within 10-20 hours. Most of the critical reviews are accurate regarding the first ~4ish hours in particular.

But compared to the coop, it's playing with training wheels and it's really, really noticeable. Upwards of 50% of content, almost all of it the stuff that differentiates one build from another as well as enemies actually worth using it on, is locked from you. I think it's a big part of why Virgil is so anal-rentitive in SP: you're playing tutorial-mode.

As for the plot, I like the concept that you're probably Raiden in the simulator, again, based on your weapon selection and ability to slide-kick. I enjoyed the subtle references to other series, games, movies, etc. throughout the dialog. Something really missing from V if you ask me. It's not exactly serious, but I enjoyed seeing ultra-serious high-def mil-spec corpses sitting on a toilet out of the corner of my eye while I opened a chest.

Otherwise it's fluff, sure, but tons of games get weird marketing fluff slapped on to them. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, but the industry isn't exactly high-functioning and fighting it is probably a big reason why Kojima got fired. 'Creating problems' with marketing by refusing to slap buzzwords into the game design. At least the game critiques it, both through the design choice of forcibly separating the marketing-game from the lasting aspects of the game and also the infamous clipboard scene.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

I wouldnt say Surive was smart enough to be subversive. The multiplayer is the main foucus, sure, but its still a generic multiplayer tower defense zombie game with a Metal Gear skin attached and a tutorial singleplayer. If the game was subversive, it would be about how boring and uninspired it is and it would talk about the zombie trend that existed back then.

The plot is literally about a time-traveling nano-machine Kaijuu who keeps traveling back in time to gobble up the past for sweet, sweet Kubans in an endless cycle of nihilistic exploitation. Your bosses are obsessed with recreating it.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

引用自 tausoldier：

The plot is literally about a time-traveling nano-machine Kaijuu who keeps traveling back in time to gobble up the past for sweet, sweet Kubans in an endless cycle of nihilistic exploitation. Your bosses are obsessed with recreating it.

So its literally Konami exploiting the past xD. I guess the devs behind the clipboard message had more to say as well.

Where does Konami end, and the devs begin? Is Konami truly an oligarchy formed between the marketing and executive departments, the only sources of value-creation, irrespective of the creative laborers in literally every other department?

If you can the game as a whole, a mechanically sound and fun-to-play game which critiques the circumstances which lead to bad games, aren't you silencing the devs for the sake of a nebulous political/market force?

More importantly, generic? Name one game like it.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

引用自 tausoldier：

Where does Konami end, and the devs begin? Is Konami truly an oligarchy formed between the marketing and executive departments, the only sources of value-creation, irrespective of the creative laborers in literally every other department?

If you can the game as a whole, a mechanically sound and fun-to-play game which critiques the circumstances which lead to bad games, aren't you silencing the devs for the sake of a nebulous political/market force?

More importantly, generic? Name one game like it.

Everu other zombie survival game xD.

https://youtu.be/4dbVZQiAOmQ
https://youtu.be/moW4wLlZnHk
https://youtu.be/kUkJhlLPqsw

~Bzzzt~

And the devs, they want out of Konami, most already left or joined Kojima.

I understand the ones who left are having trouble finding work, and Kojima's studio might live or die based entirely on Death Stranding's success.

Some of them might be dependent on their pension.

A bad game cant crtique other generic games properly.

https://youtu.be/9-dIdFXeFhs

~Bzzzt~

Wiseau likes to say it was on purpose, but I seriously doubt it.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

You last part about Wiseau, just replace it with Konami, with Survive being the film. You can say Survive is symbolic, but the game itself doesn’t do it.

Your opinion as someone who has never played it is duly noted.

[abcd]

引用自 mdesaleah：

引用自 tausoldier：

Your opinion as someone who has never played it is duly noted.

Nice diversion;). But did you know that his game is on PS4 and had an open Beta (demo)? Considering the main game is the same as the “Beta” in terms of creativity, that speaks volumes.

lame, you're not even trying to make sense anymore. how can you critique how intelligent the story is if you played a demo of the coop mode?

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0464/78/1459988896261.png

here I'll make a comeback to the one you did in the other thread,

引用自 sdesaleah：

did you know repitition is insanity according to some experts?

dude you brush your teeth? that's InSaNE!

Peace.

[JTK]

I j ust watched a few more worst of the year vids from the biggest game channels, and again, obviously a game this bad is present, thank god!

watchmojo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FZc_FN-710
whatculture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCu1uhtTFZQ
thecompletionist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt8_m8RHFCU

You cant take such a wonderful stealth series like MGS and make it some lowest common denominator game with zombies... it's just tragic. I'm not just picking on this game, what Konami did to the Silent Hill series is just as unforgivable in my eyes.

[Coyote Knight]

>Konami did to the Silent Hill
Sweety that was Kojima's ideas