How to play this game?

[Nunya513]

I got this game cause I wanted a good submarine game and I was afraid the game would be extremely difficult and have a steep learning curve and my fears have been realized. I have no idea what I'm doing. The tutorial missions don't help at all. I can see sonar pings but have no idea how to tell if they're from the surface or from subs and I don't see enemies until I'm right on top of them. I keep dying and I'm starting to regret buying this.

[Nunya513]

♥♥♥♥ this, I'm tired of dying over and over now matter what I do. My torpedoes go slow as hell and don't hone in on them while they know EXACTLY where I am and kill me. I just hope I can still refund this game.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

♥♥♥♥ this, I'm tired of dying over and over now matter what I do. My torpedoes go slow as hell and don't hone in on them while they know EXACTLY where I am and kill me. I just hope I can still refund this game.

Watch the videos in this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF9K78gj2FP31K6IfmR3bMIVzCfHAmfIU

I did this for 20 years (retired from USN in 1997).. This game is as close as I have seen to real submarine ops. Don't give up on it if you want to see how this really works.

[Nunya513]

Originally posted by jhughes:

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

♥♥♥♥ this, I'm tired of dying over and over now matter what I do. My torpedoes go slow as hell and don't hone in on them while they know EXACTLY where I am and kill me. I just hope I can still refund this game.

Watch the videos in this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF9K78gj2FP31K6IfmR3bMIVzCfHAmfIU

I did this for 20 years (retired from USN in 1997).. This game is as close as I have seen to real submarine ops. Don't give up on it if you want to see how this really works.

I need watch an entire youtube playlist to learn how to play a $40 game? Isn't this what the tutorial WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR? I should've watched the videos before now so I knew not to buy this game.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

Originally posted by jhughes:

Watch the videos in this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF9K78gj2FP31K6IfmR3bMIVzCfHAmfIU

I did this for 20 years (retired from USN in 1997).. This game is as close as I have seen to real submarine ops. Don't give up on it if you want to see how this really works.

I need watch an entire youtube playlist to learn how to play a $40 game? Isn't this what the tutorial WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR? I should've watched the videos before now so I knew not to buy this game.

Answered your own question then........

[The Inept European]

It is true that the tutorials aren't sufficient to get ok at the game. Some additional knowledge is needed, eg knowledge of other sub games or knowledge of actual sub warfare. If you don't have that knowledge or background then the best suggestion is to watch the videos.

If you rely on the tutorials and the in game help, you need to read very careful. There are key pieces of information that are given in just a single sentence.

I didn't have prior knowledge of subs or sub games and I didn't watch the videos, but I enjoy the learning curve of figuring out how not to die, by dying lots. The key is to try different things after you die, not keep doing the same thing and wonder why you keep dying. This is not a game you can learn to win by aggression. It requires reflection and analysis.

[Bobby]

You should buy SHIII it's practically been given away! That and SH4 are the best to learn about crew management, stations and battle experience inc flooding,repairs as well as targeting, torps info etc. Though this is a lot more micro management than any SP sub sim out there. Once you've played the above two sims you will be in heaven ;)

[jhughes]

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

Originally posted by jhughes:

Watch the videos in this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF9K78gj2FP31K6IfmR3bMIVzCfHAmfIU

I did this for 20 years (retired from USN in 1997).. This game is as close as I have seen to real submarine ops. Don't give up on it if you want to see how this really works.

I need watch an entire youtube playlist to learn how to play a $40 game? Isn't this what the tutorial WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR? I should've watched the videos before now so I knew not to buy this game.

If you want a very easy to play, non in-depth game.. This is not it. This game uses very enhanced concepts that require a lot of effort on your part to understand. Some examples are thermal layers, cavitation, active and passive sonar, radar, ESM, towed array, background sea noise.

When to use the periscope, the radar masts, active or passive sonar or the towed array to find targets. When to go slow and/or fast.. When to go deep or shallow, etc.. All depend on IF you understand the concepts in the previous paragraph.

So yes, you need to do the research to understand those concepts to be able to do well consistently at this game. If you are not willing to take the time necessary to understand all those concepts, then this is not the game for you.

[Nunya513]

Originally posted by jhughes:

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

I need watch an entire youtube playlist to learn how to play a $40 game? Isn't this what the tutorial WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR? I should've watched the videos before now so I knew not to buy this game.

If you want a very easy to play, non in-depth game.. This is not it. This game uses very enhanced concepts that require a lot of effort on your part to understand. Some examples are thermal layers, cavitation, active and passive sonar, radar, ESM, towed array, background sea noise.

When to use the periscope, the radar masts, active or passive sonar or the towed array to find targets. When to go slow and/or fast.. When to go deep or shallow, etc.. All depend on IF you understand the concepts in the previous paragraph.

So yes, you need to do the research to understand those concepts to be able to do well consistently at this game. If you are not willing to take the time necessary to understand all those concepts, then this is not the game for you.

So the devs charge $40 for a game that doesn't even tell you how to play the game in its own tutorials and requires you to learn how to be a sub commander just to enjoy it? Nice.

[The Inept European]

They tell you enough to get you started, if you pay attention.

The game is definitely not designed for the player who expects everything handed to him on a plate.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

Originally posted by jhughes:

If you want a very easy to play, non in-depth game.. This is not it. This game uses very enhanced concepts that require a lot of effort on your part to understand. Some examples are thermal layers, cavitation, active and passive sonar, radar, ESM, towed array, background sea noise.

When to use the periscope, the radar masts, active or passive sonar or the towed array to find targets. When to go slow and/or fast.. When to go deep or shallow, etc.. All depend on IF you understand the concepts in the previous paragraph.

So yes, you need to do the research to understand those concepts to be able to do well consistently at this game. If you are not willing to take the time necessary to understand all those concepts, then this is not the game for you.

So the devs charge $40 for a game that doesn't even tell you how to play the game in its own tutorials and requires you to learn how to be a sub commander just to enjoy it? Nice.

Do you complain the Madden doesn't explain all the rules of the NFL. Can you really play Madden if you don't know anything about football?

[Nunya513]

Originally posted by jhughes:

Originally posted by ANDROID51313:

So the devs charge $40 for a game that doesn't even tell you how to play the game in its own tutorials and requires you to learn how to be a sub commander just to enjoy it? Nice.

Do you complain the Madden doesn't explain all the rules of the NFL. Can you really play Madden if you don't know anything about football?

Is that supposed to be comparing the games because neither explain everything or comparing them because because they're both terrible games?

[delfigrey]

If you have a game that explains everything in the tutorial besides just how to play the game, please share it with us...especially if it's a simulator. You learn from the tutorial how to maneuver the ship and fire the torpedoes. Learning the tactics and when to use them is left up to you. We all died a lot when we started playing. That's how those of us who were never in a navy learned what works and what gets you killed. This game could easily be a $100 dollar game like CMANO or Steel Beasts Pro PE.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by jhughes:

Do you complain the Madden doesn't explain all the rules of the NFL. Can you really play Madden if you don't know anything about football?

Excellent analogy.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by Maniac5000:

Whats that mast called? egl mast? the thick one. the tutorial had a couple paragraphs on it and it was all greek to me.

You have an ECM mast, a radar mast and an optical mast (periscope). You also have a laser rangefinder on the optical mast. All of these are additional ways of obtaining solutions on targets, extra sensor sources, in addition to your sonar.

The ECM mast detects radar and other emissions from enemy vessels and aircraft. It can warn you of aircraft and can locate surface ships, help you get a solution on them, if they are emitting. It gives a colour coded threat level, which if it is too high, you should lower the mast to avoid being detected.

Your radar mast will give fast solutions on surface targets but is very likely to give your presence away to the enemy.

The optical mast is for visual ID of targets and can give fast solutions if you click the laser rangefinder on the targets.

There's also night vision on the optical mast I think - I don't use it much.

[Bobby]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=945445462

From the guides. Like everything, read up on it. Nothing can be covered completely in a simulation. Sometimes dev's even get surprised at the permutations.