The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel

The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel

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C's True Identity (MAJOR SPOILER)
I was really surprised when I found out that Crow was C the whole time. Was anybody able to find points to suspect him before even knowing who C was? I'm curious to know if anybody figured it out before the game revealed it.
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I didn't play any other games in CS series yet, but im pretty sure everything isn't gona be that simple. I have my suspicions about Osborne outcome, the only thing that would be annoying but possible i guess is that He's coming back into crew, after repenting for being duped by ouroboros, i think it's pretty obvious they used him. Im also kinda sure that all that was planned by Osborne himself. I mean how would he know the name of the sniper? Plus chapter 4 really gives off the impression that he wouldn't die so easily, aswell as a whole series before.
Последно редактиран от OnlyOffensive; 2 февр. 2018 в 18:56
Yeah, I'm still confused when it comes to Osborne. His true intentions haven't been shown in very good detail as of CS 1 but, I'm hoping that CS 2 will shed some more light on what is going on in terms of what he is trying to accomplish. Especially because of the conversation he made with Olivier in Trails in the Sky The Third. I won't go into much detail on that part though because of spoilers.
Yea Olivier is basically the only person who spread doubts about him in CS1, well aside from noble characters obviously, so it's hard to figure him out that well, still plot does really good job of covering him from the other side than sky with some curious dialogues, which i guess gonna be extended in next games.
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She's Misty

Oh I know that; I've figured it out right away (and yeah, then Rean figured her out too). But I suspect she has, well, a third identity, too.

Nice hat in that persona, by the way.

Her 3rd identity is stated explicitly in the ending. She's called an Anguis -- if you don't know what an Anguis is, play Sky 2 and Sky the 3rd. Her connection with Emma suggests that she might have a 4th iddntity we still don't know about; something magical.
Последно редактиран от burningmime; 3 февр. 2018 в 16:16
That is the other thing that I hope they shed some light on in CS2. Emma's true identity is still pretty much a mystery.
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That is the other thing that I hope they shed some light on in CS2. Emma's true identity is still pretty much a mystery.

Going off of the lore about witches and animists in ToCS1, it appears that Emma is concealing her identity out of fear (of backlash) because she follows a form of animism that directly conflicts with the Church.

Also note, that Emma and Misty explicitly use magic, not orbal arts. Perhaps it is of a similar nature to Weissman's magic? His power was never explained, so ToCS2 might fill in both gaps.

On a similar note, Kurt Nardin also wields another form of magic in the form of Fangshu, which appears to be it's own thing. Then again, it may be similar to Zin's Taito, in that is a form of martial arts with supernatural techniques as well.
Isn't Kurt ''magic'' also connected to the Dragon/Septium veins?
I bet we will get more info on em in the Calvard games
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That is the other thing that I hope they shed some light on in CS2. Emma's true identity is still pretty much a mystery.

She and Vita were "sisters"; so I'm guessing it's some sort of witchy woman coven.

Really, I'm more interested to see if Emma gets a personality beyond the princess trope and her breast size. All the other characters (except maybe Rean) grew beyond their humble JRPG cliche origins.

Alisa started as a Tsundere, and ended up as a well-developed character stuck between her mother, her grandfather, the company she's going to inherit, and her own desire to make a place in the world. Jusis was basically the personification of the noble faction, yet he turned into someone who's questioning his place among the nobility because of his birth, and caught between his family and wanting to do the right thing. You can say similar things about Elliot, Fie, Machias (though he didn't get much screen time compared to Jusis), Crow (but how much of it was a lie?), even Sara. Laura and Gaius... well, I find them fairly boring as characters because they don't have any flaws, but they still got loads of character development and went through changes as the story progressed.

But Emma just never seemed to get any character development at all. She started as a meek, big breasted magical princess, and ended a meek big-breasted magical princess who actually has magical powers. She has a lot of catching up to do.
Well, at the end of the day, we are all going to figure it out in about 9-10 days. Unless you played it on console of course.
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Isn't Kurt ''magic'' also connected to the Dragon/Septium veins?
I bet we will get more info on em in the Calvard games

who is Kurt?

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That is the other thing that I hope they shed some light on in CS2. Emma's true identity is still pretty much a mystery.

She and Vita were "sisters"; so I'm guessing it's some sort of witchy woman coven.

Really, I'm more interested to see if Emma gets a personality beyond the princess trope and her breast size. All the other characters (except maybe Rean) grew beyond their humble JRPG cliche origins.

Alisa started as a Tsundere, and ended up as a well-developed character stuck between her mother, her grandfather, the company she's going to inherit, and her own desire to make a place in the world. Jusis was basically the personification of the noble faction, yet he turned into someone who's questioning his place among the nobility because of his birth, and caught between his family and wanting to do the right thing. You can say similar things about Elliot, Fie, Machias (though he didn't get much screen time compared to Jusis), Crow (but how much of it was a lie?), even Sara. Laura and Gaius... well, I find them fairly boring as characters because they don't have any flaws, but they still got loads of character development and went through changes as the story progressed.

But Emma just never seemed to get any character development at all. She started as a meek, big breasted magical princess, and ended a meek big-breasted magical princess who actually has magical powers. She has a lot of catching up to do.

burningmime You speak absurd. Let me clarify everything there is about characters and end with Crow since he is the main topic here.


Jusis, a bastard sone of duke Albarea, since he is a bastard he has no heritage, which makes him quite backed down from the others. He has his issues with his father, but has very influential brother - his brother belongs to Olivert faction, while his father is backing the noble faction and thus Crow - its kinda chaotic and Jusis is left in the dark as for his fathers intentions. He has quarrel with Machias and he is trying to do right thing to earn his own place in the world and to not lose to some arrogant commoner from my perspective. Actually Jusis is not personification of noble's faction, because he's got no heritage, he is just well-behaved and proud also he loves horses.

Elliot loves music and has caring father and sister. His father does not want to get in the way of him playing his music, but does not want him to be some ♥♥♥♥♥ reliant on others and only this talent, he wants him to man up, since reality is not so kind - which the death of his mother clearly showed them.

Fie - assasin, sleeper, socially withdrawn, former member of Zephyr Jaeger Corps, affiliated with bodyguards of house Cayenne doesn't do much, but she's nice. I guess that character is average, but her pistol-knifes rock.

Machias - son of governor Regnitz, commoner that wants to take out his anger on nobles because of the death of his mother - I guess there is going to be more than that in the future of this character.

Laura - daughter of duke Arseid, she has a heritage, she is from Arseid school of swordfighting, she is calm and composed, quite feminine to that - but has flaws - she is shy, dependent, has a closed heart and most of men actually just give up on her since she seems to be out of their league - which hurts her the most.

Gaius - outsider, nomad, nobody with big spear from loving family and has many siblings and village to protect, he is mid-class in the matter of wealth since his family sells horses - does he have any flaws? I guess not - maybe You see something while I do not, so it seems You are right about him. He loves art, horses and traveling and has a history with lieuntenant Vander.

About Alisa I see You are right.

So lets talk about Emma and Crow.

First of all - Ouroboros members that have gone visible:
1. Fie - former Ouroboros member because Jaegers are part of Ouroboros, they are infantry to them as well as they can be hired by wealthy men, but they usually just abuse their power in order to get what they want - see Trails in the Sky 1-2 [You can skip 3 since it has no real main story whatsoever].
2. Emma - Ouroboros are hunted mainly by Septian church Gralsritter so Emma does not reveal anything - but when she is asked about her affiliation to church - she says quite the opposite - so she IS currently or formerly member of Ourboros as is her Sister Vita Clotilde alias Misty which is Ouroboros Enforcer now and probably she even took the place of Weissman - so she is developed, You just missed that she has to be like that because she is ashamed of her identity or she just hides it - at least until Vita Clotilde along with Crow make a coup on Heimdallr.
3. Sharon - former enforcer number IX of Ouroboros. That tells everything there is about her.
4. Crow - leader of Imperial Liberation Front which is - just deception since he seems to be enforcer of Ouroboros as well since this is where his allegiance sits. He did not lie, he was just in the academy where he was since he had known since the beginning he is going to betray them all, he did not want any attachments same as Lechter did not in Trails in the Sky when he was at academy in Liberl Kingdom.

Every character is here developed well. Every character has a backstory. Every character comes from other place, has his family, his issues to deal with, his dreams or her in that matter. So this makes this game far more playable than 2 other jRPGs that have botched totally idea of School-like jRPG - those titles are Final fantasy type-0 and Final Fantasy 8.
Последно редактиран от SpeedPL; 4 февр. 2018 в 17:46
I've mostly stayed out of this topic since anything I say is pretty much guaranteed to be a spoiler having played the second game and being familiar with the events of the third. That said, SpeedPL's post is completely inaccurate on way too many counts. Do not be confused by it.
Последно редактиран от ZWabbit; 4 февр. 2018 в 17:44
dude wtf you are talking about? There is so much misifnformation i don't even know where to start. I'll just point most ridiciolus like jaeggers are part of ouroboros. The outfit that figured in Sky was minor compared to Zephyr where Fie belonged and i duno how you had connected the two. I have no idea how you've put Crow as an enforcer, he's been kinda working with them but he looks more like a pawn, and he's OBVIOUSLY not an enforcer. Another of yours ridiciolus conclusions is that Emma is connected to Ouroboros. First Clotilde isn't an enforcer, she's Anguis or whatever the name of that rank, so she's basically like mastermind type. Second she isn't a "sister" of hers literally, she have just pointed out that they have sister-like abilities and background, they definetely connected but i doubt that it is by blood.

The focus of CS1 in term of characters ( well basically all characters were revealed somewhat ) were definetely Emma and Alisa i guess? But i have a hunch that Alisa is just has been sticking for the whole series as "canon" girlfriend. I got the feeling that main focus of CS2 will be Fie and probably either Machias or Jusis or maybe two. Indeed all other character will be revealed more aswell.

Последно редактиран от OnlyOffensive; 4 февр. 2018 в 17:50
About Crow being an Enforcer is a guess, I haven't played yet Zero no Kiseki and Cold Steel 5 and 6 - This guess in based on Renne which was enforcer and she also had Divine Knight named Pater-mater and remember - Weissman used her as experiment, so enforcers were used as well as pawns.

I coudln't say that Leonhardt group was a minor, especially with Weissman leading them from shadows. Jaegers were used as pawns, but also they are ALWAYS being used in that way by Ouroboros mainly. So they ARE like infrantry to them and they betrayed duke in Liberl to choose the side of Ouroboros.

Do You remember Vulcan story? He lost everything and just wanted the world to burn so he joined Liberation front. Its the same usually with Jaegers and their own backstories - they just want the world to burn, they are not just some mercs, they are former military, former heroes, etc.

For one to become an enforcer he must be chosen - from where this choice comes? We've got to trace this all back to Joshua. MAJOR Enforcer - Weissman chosen him and marked him. The same may happen to Rean in the future according to him missing memories and because he has the MARK. So they choose from people just like that.

Try to think of it as a hierarchy of anarchy.

Head of snake - Ouroboros.
Minions - Jaegers, mercs, Mafia, Underworld, Black Market.
While they carry acts like wars, assasinations, bodyguarding, they always have agenda of their own.

That is how it works.
Последно редактиран от SpeedPL; 4 февр. 2018 в 18:01
the only Enforcer that was present in CS1 - Bleublanc and you didn't have to fight him
Pater-mater wasn't a "Divine Knight" it was a development by 13 factories, they do share some similarities but it wasn't one of those. Divine knights as far as i understand are an ancient mechs, that are sealed away and are avaible through some kinds of trials. Rean has been guided by Emma/Celine, Crow has been guided by Misty. Weissman's experiment was Joshua, and they all have been enhanced/experimented on. Well he might be an actual enforcer but the game didn't even give a hint about that, my guess he isn't, he'd most likely had an attunement to capture knight, the only reason they used him.

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I coudln't say that Leonhardt group was a minor, especially with Weissman leading them from shadows. Jaegers were used as pawns, but also they are ALWAYS being used in that way by Ouroboros mainly. So they ARE like infrantry to them and they betrayed duke in Liberl to choose the side of Ouroboros.

Bladelord wasn't an actual jaegger it was fake identity to cover his true one. Sara herself says during capital study, that Jester ( the outfit in question ) were basically nobodies. Jaeggers are just mercenaries, so they obviusly work for everyone who pays. I mean there are so many references to them through all games, even book in the library about them. Beeing HIRED by ouroboros doesn't mean they are PART of them.
Последно редактиран от OnlyOffensive; 4 февр. 2018 в 18:14
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Okay, let's go through this one at a time.

Jaegers are mercenaries. They work for whoever hires them. We're told this repeatedly throughout the series. Ouroboros hired a jaeger corps in Sky FC and SC to provide the muscle for their operations in Erebonia and Liberl. Jaegers are not by default part of the society, they're freelancers. Furthermore we've had multiple instances of jaegers being hired by other people, even the Erebonian government has made use of them from time to time.

In addition to the above, Vulcan is no longer a jaeger. His corps was destroyed.

Renne's mech is not a divine knight. The Pater Mater is a Gordias-class combat archaism built by the Doll Studio, one of the society's 13 factories that is equipped with pre-Fall level tech. Divine knights are very specific things that were created during the immediate aftermath of the Fall.

Rufus Albarea is not part of Olivert's Third Way faction. He is shown in CS1 to be at the very forefront of the Noble Alliance standing in opposition to the Reformist faction. I'll leave it at that for now.

Laura's father is a viscount, not a duke. There are only two dukes in Erebonia, Duke Albarea and Duke Cayenne. Viscount Arseid's direct liege lord is Duke Albarea, Jusis' father.

Gaius' family are nomadic shepherds. There's no indication one way or another whether they are financially wealthy in the classical sense.

Machias' cousin, not his mother, died due to the callousness of the nobility.

Throughout the Kiseki series, there is no indication that the Church is actively hunting Ouroboros and its members. Kevin was sent after Weissman for the crimes Weissman committed against the Church. That Weissman was an anguis of the society is never given as the reason for why the Church wanted him dead.

Emma is not a member of Ouroboros. That much is evident just from CS1.
Последно редактиран от ZWabbit; 4 февр. 2018 в 18:11
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