Alisa is...

[Pay Child Suport]

not even a tsundere from what I've watched. she's just a pure, unobliterated and outright "count" but with the "O" removed. are the japanese really into this sort of thing where you'll being belittled by a girl who has absolutely zero redeeming qualities?

[ZWabbit]

So, a girl who gets angry that she was groped and treats said groper with a cold shoulder in the immediate aftermath, but later on recognizes that she overreacted and is trying to work up the courage to apologize has, no redeeming qualities?

[myhr2]

Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:

a girl who has absolutely zero redeeming qualities?

Hum, how far are you in the game? Alisa is shown very soon as being very self-conscious that she's overreacting toward Rean. She's not without faults, but it's shown quite directly that she will do her best to improve herself, and if that's not enough redeeming quality for you, I don't know what is.

[OnlyOffensive]

Well she's pretty much like alot of girls of her age, since she got crush on Rean since the start it's pretty normal that she tries to act like that because she doesn't know him at all, it all will go smoothly between them later.

It's actually pretty fitting for her character, she always tries to act self-independent but she has no clue how to act with a guys. There is actually nice contrast between her and other girls who aren't that interested in romantic relationship untill later. I think her character is pretty cool and Sharon perfectly complete her with constant teasing.

[Meeg]

I agree with everyone else defending Alisa.

She stops being unreasonably hostile toward Rean before their first field study. The whole accidental groping thing... her first knee-jerk reaction was to slap Rean and get angry; later she realizes it was all an accident and says she wanted to apologize but was waiting for the right moment (and apologizing would mean swallowing her pride and admitting she was wrong). Plus the whole thing is colored by the fact that she starts developing feelings for Rean.

After that she's pretty cool. I like her whole family drama, and it makes sense someone raised in the environment she was would have issues.

[Pay Child Suport]

Originally posted by ZWabbit:

So, a girl who gets angry that she was groped and treats said groper with a cold shoulder in the immediate aftermath, but later on recognizes that she overreacted and is trying to work up the courage to apologize has, no redeeming qualities?

yeah, she isn't groped. if anything she's the one clinging to him on that fall. but of course, women's brain is all over the place and what they perceive is their reality.

since she got crush on Rean since the start

now this the the subtlety that I missed for some reason. okay I should watch more if I have the time.

[Stabbey]

Yes, Alisa overreacted, and fairly soon even she admits that she overreacted. She didn't want to admit that she lost her head. It's a very bad first impression, it's true. Her attitude towards Rean changes early on to a normal friendly attitude.

To expand more, Alisa developed the crush on Rean by wondering what kind of person would risk injury to themselves by throwing themselves in front of her, a total stranger to protect them, and so she started paying close attention to Rean.

[Oguzhan]

I never got the hate for Alisa. Sure the scene at the beginning is bad but its not her fault. And if anyone says she acts like a tsundere even though its not Rean's fault , guys that is an embarrising experience and not everyone is going to react the same. She even knows what she did is wrong , she is just having problems admitting it. I don't know about you but when I was younger I couldn't admit it.

And when you look at her pros she is a really successful human being. Knows her way around tech , good at sports, has a will of iron (dealing with her mother and company problems after the loss of her father is not easy).

I do wish they did more with her "angel" theme though. I mean the S-Craft is cool and ridiculus and all (in a good way) but I don't know I might have might have missed something.

[Pay Child Suport]

but its not her fault

this is damage control. it IS her fault, and she apologized (despite having problems admittting it).

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:

but its not her fault

this is damage control. it IS her fault, and she apologized (despite having problems admittting it).

Ya.
Its even obvious in the question Rean gets in class right after when she pretty much helps him cheat (or tries to depending if you get right or wrong), that she already knew that she went full ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Grumple Stiltskin]

Good to know she actually knows she overreacted, I was literally coming here to ask about just this. I absolutely hate that trope where a female falls on top of a male and then punishes him for doing nothing wrong.

Originally posted by ZWabbit:

So, a girl who gets angry that she was groped

She wasn't even groped! She fell on HIM, and he even made a point about keeping his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hands in the air where she could see them! Why the ♥♥♥♥ is that interpreted as groping?!

Originally posted by ZWabbit:

and treats said groper with a cold shoulder in the immediate aftermath

Apparently striking someone counts as a cold shoulder. You're just trying to start ♥♥♥♥.

[Pay Child Suport]

Apparently striking someone counts as a cold shoulder. You're just trying to start♥♥♥♥♥♥

yeah the double standards is just remarkable. when females do it, its just cold shoulder. when males do it, its groping.

[LuciferMorningwood]

I’ve seen a lot of comments across *every* single post about this. In fact, I’ve held a lot of anger towards those that actually support this (in my personal opinion) absolute train wreck of a character. I have to get it off my chest, mainly cause I know half of it is venting and the other half is sheer and morbid curiosity to see if there are people out there who genuinely like this.

So, let’s put it out there simply: I don’t like this character. I don’t like how they designed her to be this downtrodden yet kind, brutal yet soft, crappy “tsundere” troped-up character. I will never like it for my own reasons and despite all the compelling reasons people try to explain why she’s so well written and so worth it, I won’t be able to see her in any other way.

If everyone’s willing to be civil about it, sure. I can share my reasons. You may think it shallow, or even downright stupid, but my reasons are just as valid as yours for liking her. So, with that disclaimer, I’m now going to be brutally frank with her character.

First, her attitude towards people and her situation really grinds my gears. Yes, she’s alone. Yes, she’s rich and alone, but she is alone. Yes, she has *several* social issues. Many of which are given to be fair reasons for her personality issues in the beginning. BUT, those pale when compared to her lazy, “reactive” side to her personality. One would believe that because she’s been alone this whole time, she would be a bit more open to the idea of being understanding when social blunders happen. Nobody’s perfect. But she cranks it up to a whole new notch with her “guilty till proven innocent” shtick that drives our MC to the wall AFTER she already apologized for her own blunder for misreading the situation. And badly, considering how she follows it up. It’s considerably mind-breaking how nobody else has wanted to strangle her for her antics, especially when her upbringing by Sharon should have taught her better. Hell, the only times I really like her is when she takes charge of the company. She brings the necessary professionalism (yes, I realize halfway through the rant that she does have development) that allows the company to function even without her mother overseeing the operation. I just wish we saw better glimpses of it beforehand instead of all of a sudden. I can understand reactive, but not having a better leash over it after so many times of it happening, is frustrating at best and destructive at worst.

Second, her “jealousy”. Now I get that it’s to replace this emptiness inside her heart for the family she never got to really enjoy in her life. And it’s completely valid. But I as a person, cannot like being forced to sit there and watch as the MC is cornered and quartered like a criminal whenever he deigns to show care for other people. She may be sensitive, yes, but it’s a common trip in anime and tv shows that gives off that lack of self awareness for the character not giving a ♥♥♥♥ about the other person’s feelings that I simply dislike. And it’s all too common with her.

I understand if you disagree by logic or fact. You are more than welcome to disagree, and we will agree to having different brains towards our like/hatred towards this girl. And I doubt in any future in will change. Not by simply shutting up the logical responses, but by personal choice. Emotions and logic don’t fit well together and while I may understand and enjoy her growth from a logical standpoint, I will still forever remain on that snide apology followed by “guilty till proven innocent” tactic she pulls in TCS1 on my emotional side.

[Kc]

.....jesus....