Carpet bombing of cities?

[PawelK198604]

A Dresden for exemple
I wonder does it would be possible?

I'm just finished the Dambusting and only lost one engine :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSRExvrQvfQ

[Clockwork]

I don't know why you would want to carpet bomb cities, I would think it's a little inappropriate. They bombed cities for pure terror, cities that had no strategic value like Dresden.

Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay, among others, are war criminals and sadists. LeMay even said, "I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal" - acknowledging the massive amount of innocent lives he intentionally took.

So I'm glad they left "strategic" bombing of cities out of the game. Left out probably for the very reasons I stated.

[potential energy nonbeliever]

oh no. no no no. you're wrong, clockwork. horribly, horribly wrong and misinformed. dresden was a perfectly valid industrial and logistical target. it was a railway hub for nazi germany, and had at least 110 factories and 50000 workers all producing supplies for the nazi war machine.

terror bombing was largely stopped after it was deemed to only strengthen the nazis' will to fight.

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Clockwork:

I don't know why you would want to carpet bomb cities, I would think it's a little inappropriate. They bombed cities for pure terror, cities that had no strategic value like Dresden.

Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay, among others, are war criminals and sadists. LeMay even said, "I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal" - acknowledging the massive amount of innocent lives he intentionally took.

So I'm glad they left "strategic" bombing of cities out of the game. Left out probably for the very reasons I stated.

Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay was heroes, the German and Japan started unspeakable atrocities on Slavic, Jews, and Chinese respectively.

Whoever sows the wind collects the storm(Hosea 8:7)

Whoever sows the wind collects the storm(Matthew 26:52)

Or simply KARMA IS BACK!!!

[Vamandrac]

I don't know how you carpet bomb an entire city with a single bomber, but regardless that isn't something this game needs.

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

I don't know how you carpet bomb an entire city with a single bomber, but regardless that isn't something this game needs.

No i meant formation flight with hundreds of Lancaster bombers

[Vamandrac]

Originally posted by PawelK198604:

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

I don't know how you carpet bomb an entire city with a single bomber, but regardless that isn't something this game needs.

No i meant formation flight with hundreds of Lancaster bombers

Again, since this game doesn't deal with "hundreds" of bombers I don't see how that would even be implemented. Beyond that, I highly doubt the devs are interested in putting attacks on civilian targets in the game.

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

Originally posted by PawelK198604:

No i meant formation flight with hundreds of Lancaster bombers

Again, since this game doesn't deal with "hundreds" of bombers I don't see how that would even be implemented. Beyond that, I highly doubt the devs are interested in putting attacks on civilian targets in the game.

But sadly that that was part of WW2
And this game is based on that time period, once my 19 years old, she is very cute resourceful girl, she is a bit geek She like gaming, manga and japanese culture, she like history that make our common intrest
I played with her, i mean i played she watched :-) I was to destroy German airbase i got steam achivment for landing with just one working engine

We was talked about WW2 and Bomber Crew historical inconsistent like the like Black pilots (i know that it was racist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ becuase Afro American fighter pilots AKA Tuskegee Airmen was one of the best pilots of United States Army Air Corps (USAAC) later rebranded to United States Air Force (USAF) just historical hint ;-) Anyway, a similar fate met Poles despite the fact that my nation is 99% white, but when it was clear that Poland loses the September 1939 campaign which was the beginning of World War II and evacuated to France and when it fell under the pressure of the Nazi storm, to Great Britain, they were despised by native Britons, because we Poles are Slavs, and as we know Slavs are a sub-communist, and it turned out that our brave Polish pilots tilt the scales of victory in the Battle of Britain in favor of the United Kingdom, because they were a little more bravado than flippant British (i not try to offend anyone from UK just pointing facts)
SCENE FROM BRITISH blockbuster movie Battle of Britian from 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH4KRuXrTGQ or woman figters pilot in Bomber Crew my niece is very vocal on on woman rights, but not like typical idelogized feminists have lot of them even trough that only Soviet Union used women pilots as combat roles, and they make German and they got Germans loot of beating of Ass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches
The Soviets even allowed kids to be able to be WW2 combat ace pilot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kamanin#Arkady_Kamanin
His dad was world famous aviator himself, and trained the first group of Soviet Cosmanut incuding Yuri Gagarin, and they was on average by 10 years younger than Old Boys from Mercury7
The Westren Allies as in Britain and it's colonial Empire only allowed to transport planes from factories to war theathre and that was it (Air Transport Auxiliary) for Britain and (WASP-Women Airforce Service Pilots) for United States. The British are even had GAY fighter pilot that was PR niighmare for RAF because of it http://www.historyextra.com/feature/same-side-homosexuals-during-second-world-war
To bad for him he was downed over Tunesia in 1943
But maybe it was good thing for him,
Because if he lived to see the end of the war, he would meet the same savagery that poor Professor Turing went trough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_indecency with the creator of the first computer that broke the codes of the German Enigma, he "borrowed" many ideas of Polish mathematicians and "forgot to read sources" but this is a detail, and after the war he was treated like the last trash, it conquers like Polish RAF pilots who after the war were no longer needed by Great Britain, and when they returned to Poland already controlled by commies, they were subjected to torture and even murdered by them
My point is that we should by judged by our heart

Returning to main topic when i speak with my niece she want to study on our City university Oriental langauges especailly Japan and Chinese, she alredy knew the basic xD even that her Dad and my bro joke that she should study normal langage like English, German or even Russian we talk about Bomber Crew game i said that too bad that game only Include Avro Lancaster it would be nice if he had some of the EPIC American Bomber like boeing B-17 flying fortress or B-29 Super Fortress, and have some Paccific Theatre warfare over maybe even be able to pilot B-29 "Enola Gay" over Hiroshima or B-29 Bockscar over Nagasaki, my niece is Anime lover so i showed her one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lDFLLKSkUg

According to my niece, Anime is very depressing and sad, and that she is sorry for her poor Japanese who died there, I said that it is none of the poor Japanese, only Japanese fascist bastards, the same as it was in Germany, just like the Germans murdered Polish Jewry , as well as Poles, Russians, and so much Japanese. They murdered poor Chinese, Koreans, that this atomic bombardment was theirs for the Nankin massacre itself. And Oppenheimer should pay a contractual penalty for failure of these two atomic bombs on time, because they should not fall on those Poor residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they should fall on Berlin and Kyoto!
And that these two atomic bombs saved a lot of lives, even on the Japanese side, but above all I mean US Army soldiers and Red Army soldiers who would have to fight these fanatics if the two bombs did not fall where they fell.

I'm not big fan of A-Bombs if it was up for me i would denuclarzie all Nuclear Powers such as US and Russia, but with this bomb was like it was with death penalty it was abolished after falll of communism in Poland, We had it on our legal books from start birth of your nation since X century, but it was abolished to make Poland be able join EU, i'm generallly against it but some time is justffied, in late 80's we had serial killer-pedophile Trynkiewcz he killed and raped 4 underages boys and be September 29 1989 he was sentenced 4 times to Death by haning for each of his murder-rape of all this boys, but later in ealry 90's we impossed moratorium death penalty and later it was scrpapped all togother, and his sentence was converted to 25 years of iimprisonment becuase Polish law at that time not have life sentence and highset one beside death penalty was 25 years
As Roman Catholic i'm aganist it but some time is good one, the same way as Japan and Germany deserved thier very own "little boy"

Pardon my English this language is not my own
And pardon for this long thread xD

PS Hawing Hiroszima mission would be nice

[Vamandrac]

You aren't getting carpet bombing of cities or anything like that. Enjoy the game for what it is and quit trying to turn it into some sort of political/idealogical statement.

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

You aren't getting carpet bombing of cities or anything like that. Enjoy the game for what it is and quit trying to turn it into some sort of political/idealogical statement.

Ok, sorry for making such thing here

[Fluffy_Bunny]

I'm up for carpet bombing , we can't whitewash what happened, why should we try to change history? Isn't that just re-writing it to make it more PC? Historical truth and veracity is the only thing anyone should care about. If people want to live in a utopian dreamland they can always move to totalitarian countries.

At the exact same time as the bombing of Dresden Jewish people and many others were being gassed and force marched to death camps. Bombing the city helped shorten the war and divert thousands of soldiers to AA duties. If the Germans don't like it perhaps they shouldn't have started the war?

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Fluffy_Bunny:

I'm up for carpet bombing , we can't whitewash what happened, why should we try to change history? Isn't that just re-writing it to make it more PC? Historical truth and veracity is the only thing anyone should care about. If people want to live in a utopian dreamland they can always move to totalitarian countries.

At the exact same time as the bombing of Dresden Jewish people and many others were being gassed and force marched to death camps. Bombing the city helped shorten the war and divert thousands of soldiers to AA duties. If the Germans don't like it perhaps they shouldn't have started the war?

My point exactly

[Vamandrac]

Originally posted by Fluffy_Bunny:

I'm up for carpet bombing , we can't whitewash what happened, why should we try to change history? Isn't that just re-writing it to make it more PC? Historical truth and veracity is the only thing anyone should care about. If people want to live in a utopian dreamland they can always move to totalitarian countries.

At the exact same time as the bombing of Dresden Jewish people and many others were being gassed and force marched to death camps. Bombing the city helped shorten the war and divert thousands of soldiers to AA duties. If the Germans don't like it perhaps they shouldn't have started the war?

It isn't about white washing history, but this game isn't trying to set itself up to make the statements you guys want. Quit trying to make this game into something it's not.

[Fluffy_Bunny]

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

Originally posted by Fluffy_Bunny:

I'm up for carpet bombing , we can't whitewash what happened, why should we try to change history? Isn't that just re-writing it to make it more PC? Historical truth and veracity is the only thing anyone should care about. If people want to live in a utopian dreamland they can always move to totalitarian countries.

At the exact same time as the bombing of Dresden Jewish people and many others were being gassed and force marched to death camps. Bombing the city helped shorten the war and divert thousands of soldiers to AA duties. If the Germans don't like it perhaps they shouldn't have started the war?

It isn't about white washing history, but this game isn't trying to set itself up to make the statements you guys want. Quit trying to make this game into something it's not.

My country is free pal, there's a suggestion forum for a reason. My reply was simply a retort to those who seem to be offended by history.

[Vamandrac]

Originally posted by Fluffy_Bunny:

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

It isn't about white washing history, but this game isn't trying to set itself up to make the statements you guys want. Quit trying to make this game into something it's not.

My country is free pal, there's a suggestion forum for a reason. My reply was simply a retort to those who seem to be offended by history.

First, you are right in the fact that there is a suggestion forum, but you aren't using it. Second, nobody here said they are offended by history or wanting to "whitewash" it, but the fact that you want a game with very cartoon depictions of bomber crew management during World War II to address the complex realities and horror of actual warfare is beyond ridiculous.

The devs produced a game with a very tongue-in-cheek look at air combat during World War II because I am sure they wanted it to be first and foremost fun, but also allow a creative way to approach the subject material and to sell the game. While what you and PawelK want would appeal to people looking for a more historical representation of the air war over occupied Europe it would ultimately conflict with what the devs are trying to accomplish. Trust me, I am not offended by history as I teach it for a living, but there is a time and place for such things, and this game isn't it.

[PawelK198604]

Originally posted by Vamandrac:

Originally posted by Fluffy_Bunny:

My country is free pal, there's a suggestion forum for a reason. My reply was simply a retort to those who seem to be offended by history.

First, you are right in the fact that there is a suggestion forum, but you aren't using it. Second, nobody here said they are offended by history or wanting to "whitewash" it, but the fact that you want a game with very cartoon depictions of bomber crew management during World War II to address the complex realities and horror of actual warfare is beyond ridiculous.

The devs produced a game with a very tongue-in-cheek look at air combat during World War II because I am sure they wanted it to be first and foremost fun, but also allow a creative way to approach the subject material and to sell the game. While what you and PawelK want would appeal to people looking for a more historical representation of the air war over occupied Europe it would ultimately conflict with what the devs are trying to accomplish. Trust me, I am not offended by history as I teach it for a living, but there is a time and place for such things, and this game isn't it.

Anyway a love that game, and think pilots of WW2 was the bravest :-)