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I think no one really hates Javier, they just don't like the fact that Season 3 is not primarily about Clementine, and I can totally understand that.
They wouldn't have been so upset if season 3 was a seperate TWD game with no Clementine, at all. But this is an official continuation of the entire series.
The series started with Clem, she was a main character both in season 1 and 2, and now she's is being treaten like ''just another girl in our group'' (except these 5 minute-flashbacks in each episode).
Yea, as I said, I really like the new story and all the new characters. Personally, it's for me more interesting than Clementine.
But Telltale Games really should have done the 3rd season into a seperate series (like the two TV shows: ''The Walking Dead'' and ''Fear The Walking Dead'')
Personally, I enjoy the story very much. Javier's character is quite formable.
I can relate to Clem. I saw her grow up, I made her basically. She is mine and fleshed out and she is still in her formative years. Javi is an adult and I simply have no idea how he should behave or what the relationship is with the kids and Kate after like 4 or 5 years in the bus. We don't really see much of those 4 or 5 years so I have no idea... That is why I don't like Javi as my main char. I would be fine with having him with some backstory along the lines of Fear the Walking Dead like his first couple of months properly done in 1 or 2 episodes plus playing Clem sort of like in a Tales from the Borderlands setup with two main protagonists... but not like that.
Well yeah, that's understandable, I hate the forced relationship between Kate and Javi too, and I get it's hard to get used to another character, but people were hating on Javier when they didn't even release the game yet LOL
There's absolutely nothing special about Javier, he's bland as hell, has no personality whatsoever. He's the most forced "perfect character" there's ever been. Literally everyone sucks up to him and does whatever he say. Meet that female doctor? oh yeah she's already in love with you after talking for 10 seconds. Get a whole settlement destroyed because of your incompetence? oh yeah here's the leader of that settlement following every single order you throw out and even calling you boss.
There's absolutely no depth to this idiot of a character, he's simply a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot and Clem has to be shoehorned in to save his incompetent ass every time.
Episode 3, "Javi let's move!"
*Javi decides to play baseball with 2 walkers on the side of the road*
*almost gets killed*
*Clem comes to the rescue like always*
There's a thousand other things but I'm seriously too lazy to waste my time over this stupid character. I hope they kill him off.
Javier is just some guy with his brothers family. they could have eaily done this as a standalone season. (btw the season is far too short so far, its a real step down from 1 and 2)
Having Clem has a secondary character isn't cool with everything we have exprienced with her, to now be looking on the outside feels foriegn to me, its personaly dampend my gaming exprience has I felt we were bulding a clem just for her spotlight to be taken away.
Lol he's not as perfect, I'd make that call on Jesus, since that dude's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong and agile as hell, he has his weaknesses, we don't even know if Eleanor is in love with Javier or not, and you got a point on Tripp, 'cause calling him the boss after screwing up his home is kind of weird, specially when he's nice at you after having a huge argument about the guy that Clem shot in Prescott, and pretty sure that telltale makes Clem save Javi so they can have moments like that to feed the Clementine fanboys, and I don't think that he's going to die, atleast this season, I find his story pretty interesting, you're just looking at him in the wrong way
They could improve, but every game has it's sins, I guess, even Clem does, but all characters have to start off somewhere, Javier wasn't in S1, so they're introducing him in S3, I barely liked Clementine in season 1, I focused on Lee and the other characters like Kenny and the rest, but not Clementine at all, then when the season ended I noticed I had to keep with Clementine, then I started to like her a lot more in season 2, found more interest because the season adds more story to clem's character, but Javier's recent, we know a lot of things about him but not that much, because he only had 3 episodes, but that doesn't mean everyone has to hate on him, and after all, Javier is a character mainly for the people that didn't play the other seasons, this season is introducing Javier's story AND following Clem's story, pretty sure that people will like him more in season 4 and 5, because they made this character for a reason, not to just kill him off in the same season he appears in, this is different from Lee, we didn't even get to see Lee's backstory at all, but opinions are opinions.
If telltale did that, every episode would really take 4 months or maybe more to release, EP3 took a while to release because of the many decisions and different trails, episode 1 was weaker because the decisions barely mattered, they just affected to the dialog, and different gameplay, is all. And gabe's a kid too and still getting a lot of hate, just because he's annoying, Clem was kind of annoying in season 1, in my opinion I didn't really care about her until episode 4-5, because something that you didn't expect happens to her. And after all, not all the characters have to be convicts xD, and we only got 3 episodes of Javier right now, so we don't really know much yet.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? are you stupid or what? The TWD Game is literally her story, how does anything about her means "Feeding the Clem fanboys"??? When I play Halo 3 does that mean the devs are "Feeding the Master Chief fanboys"???
You're honestly stupid if you think this way.
Nah, I ain't stupid sir, you didn't get what I said, since the majority of the people that bought a new frontier are there for Clem, then the devs give them Clem, not just Javier gameplay, the flashbacks are there for reasons, not just one, stop throwing your rage at me, I don't wanna start fights.
Number 1: I wasn't advocating for killing him off.
Number 2: It's Clem's story man. You meet her as a little girl, you raise her, you play her throughout part of her formative years. People are invested in her and know her backstory. Her parents didn't come home, she didn't have anybody else so she stuck with Lee because he felt responsible for her.
Number 3: Stop the stupid fanboy theory. It would simply be a stupid and bad decision to omit a character from the game that has been the core of the game since season one. Her story was not over, people wanted to know what happened to her and the baby. It's not like she just wandered off. There was no proper end point so it would simply be stupid to write a central character off light that. It's not for fanboys it's because the game is centered around her.
Lastly: It's basic writing that's the problem here. You can't "introduce" a character that the player has agency over over 2 or 3 seasons. Especially not an adult. Lee was different. He had not attachements in terms of family or friends who were still alive so you could shape him however you wanted. Javier has family. What's his relationship to his niece and nephew? How did they survive 3 months without basically any survival skills? What is up with his relationship to Kate? How did it even start given that it is and was strongly implied that he was absent from the family for ages before returning when his father was dying. How is there even any kind of chemistry from the start with Kate? What's Kate's deal? How does a mid 20's stoner end up married to a rage ball with 2 kids from a prior relationship and no mother?
This is stuff you can't answer in 5 minute flashbacks of which you get like one per episode. In the same way that you can't explain Clems 2 or 3 year journey with an infant in the same fashion. This is stuff that can't happen off screen. The first 2 episodes should have been devoted to showing Clem's way and Javi's way to the same point in time and the game would immensely benefit from having a proper split lead roll like Tales from the Borderlands. It doesn't. Javi is basically given next to no backstory but a huge bunch of relationships he somehow needs to be aware of from the get go. That is what's called bad writing and it's also lazy. It's for the same reason the whole season 3 sucks. Everything feels rushed. Relationships like with Trip and others are basically thrown into your face and in the next scene you are already big buddys and trust each other completely. There is next to no character developement or establishing of a relationship between the lead character and the supporting cast. The tone is also wrong. Your niece gets shot in the face before your eyes, a woman is maimed and killed before you eyes, a town is burned down, the woman you love is shot and critically injured, you meet your long lost brother, you get thrown into the wilderness with no food, water, shelter and just a map and a baseball bat yet at the first opportunity your character decides to play Walker-baseball and nearly gets killed.
All that is just stupid and it's bad writing and it makes Javi into an absolute douchebag for man fans. So yes in return fans are in uproar over the decision to basically can Clem. It's because Javi is badly written, he seems like a douche, the story is badly written and paced and you needlessly have a new playable character. How would the story have changed if you could play Clem and just met Javi and joined up as a new group? How would the story change at all? It wouldn't. You'd still meet Javi, stil go to Prescott, still have a shootout, still go to Richmind, still meet up afterwards, still kill bad guys, still sneak back in to save Goofball. So of course fans ask: what the ♥♥♥♥ is going on? Why did we need a new character when nothing justifies it besides allowing the writers to include some cheesy love story? Hell they could have written that love story with Clem and Gabe. But they chickened out because Clem is underage and they chickened out because Clem has too many decisions associated with her character that they would need to take into account to carry forward. So it simply wasn't possible for them so they took the easy way out: reduce her character to like 3 or 4 decisions and start fresh with someone else. That is the only reason. It's lazy and it is not justified from any point of view and THAT is why people want Clem back.
Turn it however you want but you are dead wrong.
well damn you got all the points there xD, whatever, I like Javi and Clem and hope they're both fine
He's a bit forced, what with Tripp going along with a guy who, to all appearances, was the primary catalyst to the attack and destruction of his hometown, friends, etc. The Javi-Kate romance is a bit forced, the whole Kate-David thing makes no sense, either. Gabe whining like a millenial snowflake...the whole thing is a bit awkward and hamfisted.
I think part of the problem is, as was stated, that we really expected to continue on with Clem from where we left off in Season 2. She was Lee's focus in S1 and the protag in S2. The sudden gear shift to these new underdeveloped people is jarring. Even after a third episode I sometimes forget I'm playing Javi, not Clem. Couple that to shorter episodes, splitting these shorter episodes between Clem flashbacks, Javi flashbacks, current events, trying to keep Clem relevant in this season while simultaneously developing a whole new cast of people, and you have a generally underwhelming group.