Advantages for Long(2H?) vs 1H weapons?

[Karn]

Looking through prior posts there seems to be no evidence whether long weapons count as 1H, 2H or a category of their own.
What's available are mostly opinions and they seem to be mixed.

Even if we operate under the assumption that long weapons are 2H and utilize 2H bonuses, what's the benefit of using long weapons vs 1H?

They both appear to consistently have identical damage outputs and stats:
1H: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2794345909
long: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2794346033


From what I can gather, the only advantages long weapons offer over 1H:
- You can utilize the additional armor point that Tank gear offers over Brawler gear (aside from the 2H vs 1H damage bonus).
- You can have a supplementary 2H weapon for high dmg output.

Is that really all it comes down to when deciding between 1H and 2H?
Whether you want the extra couple of points of armor from Tank gear and a proper 2H (non-repairable) as a fallback weapon?

Does 1H offer any advantages over long/2H at all? The gear bonuses seem identical for both Tank and Brawler.

[Rolex]

1H have a much higher attack speed

[Karn]

Originally posted by Rolex:

1H have a much higher attack speed

Ah, I knew there was a slight stamina difference, but I didn't realize the attack speed changed as well.

I just tried out various long and 1H weapons and it seems like all of them have a different speed and stamina requirement.

What sucks is that neither of these stats are listed so there's no way to actually measure DPS.
I guess the decision then comes down to personal preference.

[MrCBlower]

I think it is down to personal preference, one thing I can say is that 2h weapons are so much better than they were in DL and are now something that is well worth using.

[ShockedHearts]

nothing.

1H atm is the best melee class to go with. it reaches the most DPS, is the most common type of weapon in the game as well.

2H and long weapons need to reworked if they are to be as viable as 1H weapons. because max level post game there is no reason to use anything but 1H swords with a brawler build if you want to be effective.

also long weapons arent counted as 2H. they are a seperate category in the code

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by NativeOne:

2H gives you a better length attack plus blocking ..

1H fast attack speeds ..

you can uhhh block with every weapon in the game.

[Karn]

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

nothing.
also long weapons arent counted as 2H. they are a seperate category in the code

Got any evidence of this?
Not doubting you, but I'm genuinely curious since there's so many conflicting opinions on whether long weapons benefit from 2H damage bonus and I have yet to find any official clarification on the matter.


If long weapons aren't classified as 2H, then that makes them completely useless and effectively the weakest weapon in the game, by far.

Why would they even bother adding a weapon class that:

• Is slower than 1H.
  
• Requires more stamina to use than 1H.
  
• Offers the same damage output and bonuses as 1H.
  
• Doesn't drop as often.
  
• Is the only weapon class that doesn't gain a damage bonus from gear.

It makes absolutely no sense.

Edit: And before anyone points out "1H weapons can't hit multiple targets"...
They do; I just tested it out and both 1H axe and long axe can hit multiple targets with a single, basic attack.

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by NativeOne:

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

you can uhhh block with every weapon in the game.

Not better than a 2H ..

Better length (reach) for that ..

Ergo: .."better length attack plus blocking .."

~uhhh -ever heard of 'Fencing' ?

??? what are you talking about lmao

all weapons block the exact same way there is no difference. 1H swings fast 2H swings slow and has more range that is the only difference. regardless of that all weapons including your bare fists and bows have the exact same blocking mechanics.

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Karn:

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

nothing.
also long weapons arent counted as 2H. they are a seperate category in the code

Got any evidence of this?
Not doubting you, but I'm genuinely curious since there's so many conflicting opinions on whether long weapons benefit from 2H damage bonus and I have yet to find any official clarification on the matter.


If long weapons aren't classified as 2H, then that makes them completely useless and effectively the weakest weapon in the game, by far.

Why would they even bother adding a weapon class that:

• Is slower than 1H.
  
• Requires more stamina to use than 1H.
  
• Offers the same damage output and bonuses as 1H.
  
• Doesn't drop as often.
  
• Is the only weapon class that doesn't gain a damage bonus from gear.

It makes absolutely no sense.

Edit: And before anyone points out "1H weapons can't hit multiple targets"...
They do; I just tested it out and both 1H axe and long axe can hit multiple targets with a single, basic attack.

noone has done genuine research using various builds and such yet. but in the code all long weapons are classified as 1.5H and are a seperate category from 1H and 2H

I played the entire game with long weapons and a tank build and it was pretty underwhelming. by the time I got to post game I felt super weak. switched to a pure brawler build and I feel 2x faster and stronger.

so from my experience long weapons are the worst in the game in a sense. 2H is technically the worst since they cant be repaired or modded. and are very rare late game. long weapons are rather common and can be modded so they make up for that i suppose.

but long weapons and 2H are 100% different weapon categories. if they are both "2H" then there would be no reason to label them speperatly both in game with the title as well as in the code.

[He Will Laugh]

Originally posted by Karn:

Looking through prior posts there seems to be no evidence whether long weapons count as 1H, 2H or a category of their own.
What's available are mostly opinions and they seem to be mixed.

Even if we operate under the assumption that long weapons are 2H and utilize 2H bonuses, what's the benefit of using long weapons vs 1H?

They both appear to consistently have identical damage outputs and stats:
1H: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2794345909
long: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2794346033


From what I can gather, the only advantages long weapons offer over 1H:
- You can utilize the additional armor point that Tank gear offers over Brawler gear (aside from the 2H vs 1H damage bonus).
- You can have a supplementary 2H weapon for high dmg output.

Is that really all it comes down to when deciding between 1H and 2H?
Whether you want the extra couple of points of armor from Tank gear and a proper 2H (non-repairable) as a fallback weapon?

Does 1H offer any advantages over long/2H at all? The gear bonuses seem identical for both Tank and Brawler.

Basically 2h have much larger reach and cleave through more enemies + large lunge on Power attack with high chance to launch/stagger. The biggest issue right now with 2H weapons is that they cannot have mods/charms inserted into them so they'll almost always be weaker than 1H weapons and you can't use the korek charm on them to repair

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by NativeOne:

Originally posted by ShockedHearts:

??? what are you talking about lmao

all weapons block the exact same way there is no difference. 1H swings fast 2H swings slow and has more range that is the only difference. regardless of that all weapons including your bare fists and bows have the exact same blocking mechanics.

What are YOU talking about ?! ..

2H weapons have a longer reach ..

ERGO: Faster on the block, when paired to an opponent

~That's Science

all weapons block and the same speed in the game. dont know what you are on about lmao