New player and nightmare mode - I am stopped by repair prices

[lolewski]

Hello,
I am new to DL2 and it's a great game, however I have some remarks for the NM mode. I decided to have a tough challenge and do my 1st playthrough on this difficulty mode. I don't know how far I progressed with the story but I unlocked fish eye and did a couple of missions after that. NM mode is unforgiving, brutal, intense, each mistake costs you life of losing a half of it. You have to pay attention to surroundings because your survivor sense or whatever it's called doesn't do jack s***, it's useless. Don't even try to fight with packs of zombies because you are dead meat, you have to think and use all tools to survive and pick them one by one. You think but zombies don't and for the most part it's your only advantage. Your HP does not regenerate and you have to constantly watch stamina, otherwise you are f*****. I accept all of that, I knew it's going to be hard. However, what ruins my gameplay is cost of repairing weapons. It's absolutely insane, I can't afford 7k just to repair 1 weapon I upgraded and all items I might sell, including high rarity, are mostly worth 1-5 gold or 100 at best if modded etc. so ridiculously low amounts. Basically, my progress is stopped not by zombies or difficulty but lack of gold. How the f*** do I get more gold on NM mode? I don't want to use another weapon because time and effort I put to upgrade my weapon on NM mode was crazy.

[Mistie]

Just reduce difficulty to easy sell all items you don't need to get many money and do whatever you want with your gold. I have like 1 million gold doing like this.

And if you go to adventures just raise difficulty to NM mode again.

Because it's stupid logic of difficulty that even rarest items that i'm farming forever cost like 1 gold. It really is stupid and unbalanced.

[4L3X]

To get more gold you can loot weapons, clothes that you don't use and go to dark areas at night to get loot and then sell all that, the peacekeepers have a good amount of gold when you kill them, I recommend that

[Big Ma Ma]

Originally posted by 4L3X:

To get more gold you can loot weapons, clothes that you don't use and go to dark areas at night to get loot and then sell all that, the peacekeepers have a good amount of gold when you kill them, I recommend that

For some reason Techland thinks it's a good idea to reduce selling price to sub 5 gold for weapons and gears on Hard/ Nightmare difficulty where players are already faced with tougher enemies and lower resources. All the while making dismantle as unrewarding as possible because you have to waste a lot of time on pressing that Dismantle button, and mostly you only get scraps as the result of destroying your legendary weapons.


What OP experienced is bound to happen to everyone because of that stupid decision. You can still get money by selling valuable goods, but that means you'll have to farm Dark Hollows forever since DH is the only stable source of high priced goods.

For sure, theoretically you can still beat NM mode with limited resource and gimped selling price, but you have to reduce upfront battle to a minimum just to conserve your weapon durability, even though you're equipped with necessary skills to defeat enemies unscathed. However, it's not fun. I know NM mode is meant to be a challenge, but fun and challenge aren't mutually exclusive.

[lolewski]

Originally posted by Big Ma Ma:

Originally posted by 4L3X:

To get more gold you can loot weapons, clothes that you don't use and go to dark areas at night to get loot and then sell all that, the peacekeepers have a good amount of gold when you kill them, I recommend that

For some reason Techland thinks it's a good idea to reduce selling price to sub 5 gold for weapons and gears on Hard/ Nightmare difficulty where players are already faced with tougher enemies and lower resources. All the while making dismantle as unrewarding as possible because you have to waste a lot of time on pressing that Dismantle button, and mostly you only get scraps as the result of destroying your legendary weapons.


What OP experienced is bound to happen to everyone because of that stupid decision. You can still get money by selling valuable goods, but that means you'll have to farm Dark Hollows forever since DH is the only stable source of high priced goods.

For sure, theoretically you can still beat NM mode with limited resource and gimped selling price, but you have to reduce upfront battle to a minimum just to conserve your weapon durability, even though you're equipped with necessary skills to defeat enemies unscathed. However, it's not fun. I know NM mode is meant to be a challenge, but fun and challenge aren't mutually exclusive.

Mate, this is 100% on point how I feel playing NM. Lowering difficulty just for selling stuff purpose feels like cheating but at this point I think I will have to do this because I would need to limit combat to bare minimum to save my durability for story missions which is not fun at all. Weapons degrade really fast, you need more swings on NM because enemies are tougher. Basically, after 1 or 2 missions game tells me "get 7k gold or GTFO".

[Malthar]

if nightmare is feeling too difficult turn the dfficulty down

[Bankai9212]

There’s a difference between a difficulty being challenging but fair, compared to nightmares idea being difficult for the sake of it that makes playing unfun.

[lolewski]

Originally posted by Malthar:

if nightmare is feeling too difficult turn the dfficulty down

It's not too difficult, it's unbalanced af for selling prices. Repair price kills my progress and that's it.

[Malthar]

Originally posted by lolewski:

Originally posted by Malthar:

if nightmare is feeling too difficult turn the dfficulty down

It's not too difficult, it's unbalanced af for selling prices. Repair price kills my progress and that's it.

if nightmare is unbalanced to you in any way

turn
down
the
difficulty

[Bankai9212]

You aren’t really disproving the issues nightmare has.

[H3llF!r3]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

You aren’t really disproving the issues nightmare has.

its their "vision" of difficulty, being a CHORE. DY1 better in any way x100000

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by Big Ma Ma:

Originally posted by 4L3X:

To get more gold you can loot weapons, clothes that you don't use and go to dark areas at night to get loot and then sell all that, the peacekeepers have a good amount of gold when you kill them, I recommend that

For some reason Techland thinks it's a good idea to reduce selling price to sub 5 gold for weapons and gears on Hard/ Nightmare difficulty where players are already faced with tougher enemies and lower resources. All the while making dismantle as unrewarding as possible because you have to waste a lot of time on pressing that Dismantle button, and mostly you only get scraps as the result of destroying your legendary weapons.


What OP experienced is bound to happen to everyone because of that stupid decision. You can still get money by selling valuable goods, but that means you'll have to farm Dark Hollows forever since DH is the only stable source of high priced goods.

For sure, theoretically you can still beat NM mode with limited resource and gimped selling price, but you have to reduce upfront battle to a minimum just to conserve your weapon durability, even though you're equipped with necessary skills to defeat enemies unscathed. However, it's not fun. I know NM mode is meant to be a challenge, but fun and challenge aren't mutually exclusive.

almost like its a survival game, like they intended it to be lmao. It baffles me how people ♥♥♥♥♥ about a difficulty choice because they personally dont like it, instead of just playing on something lower. Its clearly not meant for people who find any amount of grinding annoying. Dying light has always been partly a "survival" game. Yet they made the "survival" point literally pointless in dl1 cuz you had too much mats on any difficulty and money. And in dl1 anything under nightmare "survival" was pointless, because of the same issue lol.

I think techland should just add a custom difficulty thing, issue fixed for people who wanna ignore part of the game mechanics.

[76561199473195914]

Just a reminder, that switching difficulty from NM mid run will prevent you from obtaining the Watlz outfit - just as it was in DL1, cheesing this way will not work.

Repairing was not a core mechanic for Dying Light 2 - we have added this feature way later into development cycle, since before it was only an easter egg. repairing is very optional, hence the pricing - it's worth to rather focus on getting new weapons :)

[Big Ma Ma]

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

almost like its a survival game, like they intended it to be lmao. It baffles me how people ♥♥♥♥♥ about a difficulty choice because they personally dont like it, instead of just playing on something lower. Its clearly not meant for people who find any amount of grinding annoying. Dying light has always been partly a "survival" game. Yet they made the "survival" point literally pointless in dl1 cuz you had too much mats on any difficulty and money. And in dl1 anything under nightmare "survival" was pointless, because of the same issue lol.

I think techland should just add a custom difficulty thing, issue fixed for people who wanna ignore part of the game mechanics.

Let's agree with you for a second. To what extent does the game have to take away from the player to make it "Survival"? Why gives us weapons and gear? Why gives us Legendary skills? Why gives us grenades and boosters?Why ends there when you can focus "Survival Element™" so much that you can restrict players to a more deadly extent? If you're skilled enough, you can theoretically kill a volatile tyrant just by kicking. Surely the devs can trust players on Nightmare mode are skilled enough to dodge every attack from volatile tyrant for a consecutive hour and kick him to death. Surely it's nothing tedious, but focusing on what Dying Light 2 should be played, SurVIvaL?

I would agree with you if money actually means something in DL2. Unfortunately, It doesn't. Anyone with basic knowledge of the game won't buy anything from the shop other than crafting materials, which are extremely cheap to begin with.

You can get far more powerful Consumables and Accessories from crafting. You're looking to lose your hard earned XP if you're using LV1 medkit and LV3 toughness boosters you bought from the shop during combat in Nightmare mode. You're trolling if you tell me you plan to fight a volatile using LV1 grenade and LV3 throwing knives from the shop.

Then there's equipment. Weapons and gears play a crucial role in combat. No one in their right mind would buy overpriced blue tier weapons and armor from the shop, especially in Nightmare mode. Low tier weapons deal less damage and break more easily.

So what role does money serve for your delicate "survival element" of the game? Enemies are harder to kill, so we're already using more resources on enemies, be it weapon durability, boosters and accessories. In addition, we also have fewer possible loot for resources on higher difficulty.

Then we have this weapon durability problem. You're more than capable of defeating enemies unscathed. Now you whack a Renegade Lieutenant a few times. Your weapon breaks, he still stands. You then proceed to wall run air vault kick and head stomp him to death. He rewards you a purple tier Disc Axe and a pair of green camo pants. You get 8 gold for selling them, and you need 7k gold to repair your weapon. Such a thrilling and exciting gameplay experience, by your golden "survival element" standard I assume?

The only thing reduced selling price achieves is artificial difficulty that only serves to annoy players. It takes away the importance of loot. It removes the excitement of opening chest. It makes looting, the action itself, look like a chore than reward.

Loot doesn't mean anything when you know every weapons and armor you pick up only worth 5 gold. Loot doesn't mean anything when you know all you get is scraps after dismantling your legendary weapons and artifact gear. Looting is a daunting chore when you have to waste a lot of time on inventory menu pressing that dismantle button over and over again for scraps.

Here's my anecdotal experience. Before I learned about switching difficulty to restore selling price, I avoided opening chests completely in my first playthrough on Hard difficulty. The reasons are as mentioned. Looting feels like a waste of time. What do I get for opening chests? A weapon that worth only 1 gold. Do you honestly think this is the way Techland intended? I avoid most fights completely, not because I'm not capable of handling them, but conserve my weapon durability for quests. I need 7k gold to repair my weapons, but killing enemies only reward me with an item that only worth 5 gold. Hence, I conserve my weapon durability by avoiding random encounters and daily bounties. Any unnecessary fights only reward me with negative gold value, a big negative at that. Why do I even bother?

So, tell me. What does reducing selling price achieve, gameplay wise? Not every choice the devs made is a good choice. We like Nightmare mode, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the changes which we think is overtuned and unreasonable. I don't think we should get as many as 4k gold for selling purple tier clothes on Easy mode, but reducing selling price to 1 digit is way too overboard. The reduction rate should be in a reasonable range. However, the devs decided to go bipolar and make looting completely worthless. Don't you think there's a problem?

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by Big Ma Ma:

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

almost like its a survival game, like they intended it to be lmao. It baffles me how people ♥♥♥♥♥ about a difficulty choice because they personally dont like it, instead of just playing on something lower. Its clearly not meant for people who find any amount of grinding annoying. Dying light has always been partly a "survival" game. Yet they made the "survival" point literally pointless in dl1 cuz you had too much mats on any difficulty and money. And in dl1 anything under nightmare "survival" was pointless, because of the same issue lol.

I think techland should just add a custom difficulty thing, issue fixed for people who wanna ignore part of the game mechanics.

Let's agree with you for a second. To what extent does the game have to take away from the player to make it "Survival"? Why gives us weapons and gear? Why gives us Legendary skills? Why gives us grenades and boosters?Why ends there when you can focus "Survival Element™" so much that you can restrict players to a more deadly extent? If you're skilled enough, you can theoretically kill a volatile tyrant just by kicking. Surely the devs can trust players on Nightmare mode are skilled enough to dodge every attack from volatile tyrant for a consecutive hour and kick him to death. Surely it's nothing tedious, but focusing on what Dying Light 2 should be played, SurVIvaL?

I would agree with you if money actually means something in DL2. Unfortunately, It doesn't. Anyone with basic knowledge of the game won't buy anything from the shop other than crafting materials, which are extremely cheap to begin with.

You can get far more powerful Consumables and Accessories from crafting. You're looking to lose your hard earned XP if you're using LV1 medkit and LV3 toughness boosters you bought from the shop during combat in Nightmare mode. You're trolling if you tell me you plan to fight a volatile using LV1 grenade and LV3 throwing knives from the shop.

Then there's equipment. Weapons and gears play a crucial role in combat. No one in their right mind would buy overpriced blue tier weapons and armor from the shop, especially in Nightmare mode. Low tier weapons deal less damage and break more easily.

So what role does money serve for your delicate "survival element" of the game? Enemies are harder to kill, so we're already using more resources on enemies, be it weapon durability, boosters and accessories. In addition, we also have fewer possible loot for resources on higher difficulty.

Then we have this weapon durability problem. You're more than capable of defeating enemies unscathed. Now you whack a Renegade Lieutenant a few times. Your weapon breaks, he still stands. You then proceed to wall run air vault kick and head stomp him to death. He rewards you a purple tier Disc Axe and a pair of green camo pants. You get 8 gold for selling them, and you need 7k gold to repair your weapon. Such a thrilling and exciting gameplay experience, by your golden "survival element" standard I assume?

The only thing reduced selling price achieves is artificial difficulty that only serves to annoy players. It takes away the importance of loot. It removes the excitement of opening chest. It makes looting, the action itself, look like a chore than reward.

Loot doesn't mean anything when you know every weapons and armor you pick up only worth 5 gold. Loot doesn't mean anything when you know all you get is scraps after dismantling your legendary weapons and artifact gear. Looting is a daunting chore when you have to waste a lot of time on inventory menu pressing that dismantle button over and over again for scraps.

Here's my anecdotal experience. Before I learned about switching difficulty to restore selling price, I avoided opening chests completely in my first playthrough on Hard difficulty. The reasons are as mentioned. Looting feels like a waste of time. What do I get for opening chests? A weapon that worth only 1 gold. Do you honestly think this is the way Techland intended? I avoid most fights completely, not because I'm not capable of handling them, but conserve my weapon durability for quests. I need 7k gold to repair my weapons, but killing enemies only reward me with an item that only worth 5 gold. Hence, I conserve my weapon durability by avoiding random encounters and daily bounties. Any unnecessary fights only reward me with negative gold value, a big negative at that. Why do I even bother?

So, tell me. What does reducing selling price achieve, gameplay wise? Not every choice the devs made is a good choice. We like Nightmare mode, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the changes which we think is overtuned and unreasonable. I don't think we should get as many as 4k gold for selling purple tier clothes on Easy mode, but reducing selling price to 1 digit is way too overboard. The reduction rate should be in a reasonable range. However, the devs decided to go bipolar and make looting completely worthless. Don't you think there's a problem?

Womp womp. not reading allt hat.
aside from like 5 seconds of skimming.
Youre yapping more than me lmao, and I yap a ton.
Plus its a preference at the end of the day.

go back to dl1, or play on hard or normal. Issue solved. Not everything has to be catered to you. or put in some voting thing on their site to add a custom difficulty, im sure that was legit gain traction, id even vote for it as it would let more people enjoy the game.

[Big Ma Ma]

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

Womp womp. not reading allt hat.
aside from like 5 seconds of skimming.
Youre yapping more than me lmao, and I yap a ton.

go back to dl1, or play on hard or normal. Issue solved. Not everything has to be catered to you. or put in some voting thing on their site to add a custom difficulty, im sure that was legit gain traction, id even vote for it as it would let more people enjoy the game.

Yeah, a typical troll on a discussion forum who are not here for discussion because you have no counter point outside classic troll response: "this game is not for you" " go play something else" "GG don't care"

It's okay though. You're not the only one. I wish you get similar response as you did whenever you criticize any game you play, any food you eat, and any movies you watch. no matter how slightly.

Ironically, judging by your post history, you use mods to get around some issues we have. No wonder you disregard complaints from legit players like you did. Why do you use mods? if you don't like what vanilla game has to offer, just play something else.

Right back at you