Can't kill Jack and Joe

[Gassolini]

I'm in the water tower and there's no way I can kill Jack and Joe.

Is my game simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥ now?

[Kai]

You are suppose to 'negotiate' and then 'refuse' their offer which makes them hostile.

[Gassolini]

Yeah, I'm fighting them, but I can't kill them both.

Have done the fight umpteen times now and die every time. I managed to kill one of them one time. But I'm soon out of weapons I guess.

That's why I wonder i f my game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ now - i.e. am I stuck i a death loop?

[Grubbs008]

put it on easy and try again? switching difficulties does nothing and there's no achievements for them.

[Gassolini]

Originally posted by Grubbs008:

put it on easy and try again? switching difficulties does nothing and there's no achievements for them.

That was it - thank you! :)

The difference between Normal and Easy was extreme there. Not a chance on Normal, and on Easy it was way too easy. That was a patently unfunny part of the game. Oh well.

[Shadow♥]

It took me a while to kill them on normal. It was not an easy fight for sure. i thought i was gonna be stuck there until i finally beat them.

[Gassolini]

Heh... I wonder what would happen if you simply run out of weapons... Stuck there forever?

[Rozpierdalacz]

Originally posted by Gassolini:

Heh... I wonder what would happen if you simply run out of weapons... Stuck there forever?

well, kick does a bit of damage:)

[civbat]

Originally posted by Shadow♥:

It took me a while to kill them on normal. It was not an easy fight for sure. i thought i was gonna be stuck there until i finally beat them.

But everyone is stuck there until they beat them. >.<

[Sprocket66]

You can just negotiate with them and agree to show them how to get out of the city. No fight needed, rewards and loot is the same.

[Gassolini]

Originally posted by Sprocket66:

You can just negotiate with them and agree to show them how to get out of the city. No fight needed, rewards and loot is the same.

Well, it's too late when that fight has started... Then you have to kill them or stay in that tower forever it seems. That's where "open world" is a lie - it's not possible to run away from the fight, or lure them into the open or anything like that - it's a canned scenario.

Originally posted by Rozpierdalacz:

well, kick does a bit of damage:)

I don't think you can defeat them by kicking ;)

Perhaps I could have killed them on Normal eventually - maybe after a good nights sleep, but it was way past not-fun-anymore when I posted this thread. It seemed like the balance was just way off there.

If others happen upon this thread before getting there, do not pick that fight unless you're an alien, or if you do, be sure to have some weapons with high damage level and perhaps some mods available.

[Terrapin]

It's over now but your best friend in a fight like that is a Molotov. Set them on fire and while they are flailing pound the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.

[Kai]

Parry one of them, then use them to vault kick the other, which makes them stunned, and you vault kick the other again, over and over.

[Gassolini]

Good tips!

Probably also a good idea to get that vault kick down by practicing of some lesser enemies earlier in the game.

Also, don't start that fight (which is a balance blunder IMO) at the end of the evening when you're knackered, like I did :-))

[JonWoo]

You better get used to fighting multiple enemies. Learn to use parry and vault kick and molotovs and when to back off when necessary to get some breathing room.

[Volker-Putt]

i dropkicked them, first onehit and the second guy 3 hits on normal^^