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Sean is a very special chatacter. He has his own package to lift like Max and Chloe had their own. Having a little Brother so much younger that yourself isn't easy plus when the mom left you behind and the world is turning worse just because your father is mexican.
I think he is a nice mix of some of Max's, Chloe's and his own characteristics. He smokes weed, but is very unsecure. He is the tough guy in one scene but in the next he is so full of emotions.
Of course Max is a hipster and Chloe a punk, so what is Sean? He is still in his own finding phase and his only concern now is to keep Daniel and himself save. He has also some semilairities to Chloe in BtS. She was also 16 and was also fighting her demons like Sean is now.
So in my opinion if it would have been another story with Max and Chloe the first question I ask is what would happen with the fans who choose Bay over Bae? They would rage because their choice didn't matter.
What if the storyline without Chloe would've been continuned? The fans would rage.
I bet every LiS merch I have, that serval fans would still be pissed about a sertan way the story would've unfold. I can see the hate comments right before me:
- Max new design is so bad!
- Were is Chloe?
- Why is Joyce not there when I save Chloe?
- Were is Chloe????????
- That scene with Victoria was so s***** I ragequitted!
- WHERE IS CHLOE???????????????????
...and the story goes on.
Proof is the Arcadia Bay book were serval characters from the game wrote comments down. Some never will be sadisfied no matter what you do. I can't whait for the comic to come out this April. (It will continune the Bae storyline wich wan't mine but I will still buy it because IDC) But I KNOW there will be always those who aren't happy with what they got.
Nobody ditched Max and Chloe or any character of the 1st season. They are not gone! Sean and Daniel are just an addition to the whole universe and now they tell their story. And sometimes change is needed and I think it's fine. Also the whole aspect that the PC isn't the one with superpowers is neat. It is different and uncommon but simply because of that it is great.
I like LiS 2 and I have no shame to say it but I like Sean more than Max.
It's so revealing that you have to emphasize the "no shame" thing. I rest my case. Thank you so much.
If they intended to change as much as possible, why not go all the way and let the title rest? Give me one reason why this was not only a dishonest attempt to generate easy sales?
I so hope you are right.
Those who made the mistake to have chosen Bay had the end of the story they wanted. So who cares about them? The money lies with Max and Chloe. Because Bay people will buy a Bae game, but Bae people will not buy a Bay game. That is obvious from the reaction on the comic alone. There are already discussions about not buying further episodes if Max and Chloe do not end up together in issue 4.
Of course, Dontnod did exactly that - the brought them up in every single interview, every PR event before the release and not a word afterwards. And let´s not make that another thread where I go on about that retarded scence in LiS2 episode 1.
Just like with the name itself: easy sales, now that those are in why mention them again?
*heavy sigh*
This has been brought up and debunked soooo many times its not even funny. Did you bother to look at the other threads in the past for this?
Short answer- no. Lis - Bts wasnt Lis by a long shot and ppl liked it tons more than this game.
Thanks for bringing this up - yet again
Are we necro posting how we're racists bc we dont like a male POC? Thats usually next....
Also... that last sentence.
Yes the game is different, I think you could still have a roadtrip theme and still a good game. However it suffers from terrible writing floors and that’s probably what I dislike most here. You can write a roadtrip story without terrible reasons to “move on” and you could’ve certainly gone into it with better character interactions by having two teenage people interacting on the run instead of a 9 year old. As for the power, the story could’ve been written entirely without it up to this point which is a huge kick in the guts due to the significance of a power in this series. The first game couldn’t of been written without it. This one feels like they wrote a story (a poor one) and threw in the power after they wrote it.
- more like: WHERE IS MARK JEFFERSON???
Pretty much as with Chloe, we also have a "Schrödinger's Victoria" here, because it is not clear, that she would survive both of the endings. Jefferson on the other hand could be part of LIS2 in both endings:
Bay-Ending: Jefferson gets arrestet. At this point he would not have commited a murder (since Rachel was killed by Nathan Prescott), therefore would only be sentenced on abduction and drugging people. With a good atturney and the assumption, that he could only be sentenced on those victims, who are willing to testify against him (cause those pictures could also have been taken consensual), he could have gotten a sentence that he had already served in 2016.
Bae-Ending: Max sends David a message about the Dark Room, but then she takes Chloe and hides with her in her room. So Jefferson abducts Victoria instead of Max, hears David stumbling into his Dark Room (since Max is not there, the stereo was not turned on) and kills him and Victoria, before escaping into the storm. With the havoc happening in the storm, two more people missing would not raise any alarm, so noone would be the wiser.
Here is, where I have a little trouble: I don't find Seans Character very consistent. Don't get me wrong, there are tons of people out there, who are conflicted like Sean, but if you want to put yourself in his shoes and try to guess, how he would be acting, a conflicted character is not helping you with it.
E.g. how much of a smoker is Sean? He doesn't seem to smoke at home, since he got in trouble when catched by his dad once. On the other hand his dad had no problem with him buying weed, once he honestly told him about it. Smoking = trouble, Weed = Okay. That's odd. Anyways, since his dad is not used to see his son smoking, he could not smoke that much, that his clothes would be smelly all the time. BUT after running away he complains multiple times, how he would now needed a smoke. And his addiction seems to be strong enough, that without money and needing to steal his cigarettes he still does so, when staying a month in the cabin and eating ravioli all day, since he managed to get a box of cigarettes.
There are a lot of other characteristics, that seem to contradict one another, like he is quite dependable (taking care of a child for one month, the short messages of him calling sick at his job), has a real low self esteem, seems to be a loner (with only Lyla being his only friend) hating parties, but on the other hand people care, when he doesn't show up, asking him, where he is, so he is more than just tolerated at the party.
It seems a bit, that Dontnod is making up along the way, where they want to go with Sean. And while it kinda is refreshing to have a character for once, who is not a stereotype, on the other hand it makes it hard to predict, how the dialogue options you have will play out. With Max I never had that problem, even if there wasn't the rewind, she did not surprise me with the choices I had.
Let's take Hank for example: After he was attacking the punks, when you speak with him, you can eigher defend the punks against his rants, or give in to his rants. Since I didn't want to stand out in any way, I chose to give in to him. But hell I was surprised, that with this option Sean fully supports Hank in his views, as if Sean was fully right wing.
Overall I am pleased with how episode 2 turned out, although I made a lot of criticism. To me episode 1 was a dissaster, but in episode 2 they turned some of the political stuff down and started to focus more on the story. And there are a lot of things in LIS2, that I really liked:
- the interaction between Sean and Daniel in the forest and riverside camping.
- especially the fact, that Sean tried to stay strong but nearly breaks every time, when Daniel would not stop bringing their dad up.
- the whole Lyla-interactions. I don't like that you have to act stupid with Sean and gove away your locations with calls Sean would know are traceable, so I am waiting for them to find a secure possibility to communicate with each other, but I really love them showing, how hard it can be for family and friends to be left behind, when someone runs away. The fact, that Lyla is on medication or worse, depending on if you have called her the first time, that her mental health is also a factor to consider, is great storytelling.
- I liked the grandparents, being conservative and religious, but still being genuinely happy about their grandsons showing up and putting their believes aside. If you would not have found the MAGA-hat in granddads locker, you would not have seen him being conservative. And that is the thing: Most people are not that confrontational with their political view, they just adapt to the situation. If usually takes a while to figure out, how somebody is. The grandparents seemed to me like believable characters and I really enjoyed that.
- I loved, how Chris comes to you, while drawing at the Christmas market, and asks you to put fantasy elements into your picture. (unfortunately for me the scene was buggy, so I was talking to thin air in that scene, instead of with Chris). It is so in character with him to do that and a really nice touch.
- I loved the scene after training Daniel, when Sean tried to use telekinesis himself for a moment, and then gives up.
- I loved, how the puma was done. When you scare the wild cat away, the way it ducks away but still is not willing to give up it's pray. The whole body language shown is so realistically done. I think, some of the animators are really in love with cats to get so much detail in that animal.
- I am looking forward to Cassidy in the next episodes. Granted, those punks have been stereotypical this far, even painfully so, but if anything, Cassidy is a possiblity to show, what Chloe was on her way to become. I think, both will be comparable with each other and it will be interesting to see, where the differences lie on those two characters.
But the most important thing: As bland as Sean might be as a character, he has a really good potiential to show growth. LIS1 kinda missed that opportunity. There is the scene with Max and Jefferson, showing Max not shy to him anymore and being full of self confidence. But there is no development in her main flaw, being nosey but still trying to not get involved, if involvement has personal risk. She does not speak up against Chloe killing Nathan at the party, after finding Rachel. She does not try to find out more about the storm. in the final episode the whole dream sequence is about her self doubts, so we see, that she is not any more confident in herself than she was at the start of the game.
I am interested to see, if Sean will develop as a character, if he wil grow. In the way he handles his brother we already see a growth in episode 2
My Warren got blown to pieces right in the Two Whales diner.
....savage......
:)
Gender doesn't matter. Boy, girl, either are fine if the character is well fleshed-out. Max was, with enough wiggle room to expand via the player, Sean and Daniel are not. Max showed more character in one intro episode than the brothers have, combined, in two.
Also, saying Sean is an extrovert would imply he actually HAS a personality. He doesn't. He's so vanilla it hurts.
He's also not Mexican, he's American...unless I missed some grand reveal.
Arcadia Bay, even being a small coastal town, had more interesting locales than anything shown thus far in LiS2. It also had the one thing that only constant attention can give: a personality of it's own. The town itself had a presence, had a tone. That was just as special as the main characters, to me at least.
The genius of a central cast means there is time to FLESH THEM OUT. They don't have to be one-trick ponies like everyone in LiS2 thus far. They can grow and expand, they can EVOLVE as characters. They are thus infinitely more interesting than one-off characters like Brody, Cassidy, or Racist Store Owner.
I wish, I really wish it felt more adventurous, and maybe I prefer the sleepy small-town vibe in the first game, but so far it's more 'Adventures in Baby Sitting' than 'Adventure Time'. I thought I would get behind this new approach of watching out for your younger brother, after all I did that myself, but it's just...boring. Daniel is annoying, and Sean is lifeless.
Sales aren't the only metric, interest and conversation is as well, and as someone who practically LIVES in this fanbase LiS2 has failed at virtually every talking point in comparison to it's predecessor. It's just not a good game. Yet.